I still refuse to believe that this building was not destroyed for insurance purposes.

I still continue to update my calendars.

incredible how our government has no problem killing us.....there is no way those buildings were brought down by anything other than inside work sanctioned by people in our government.

huwantestmi Sat Aug 23
incredible how our government has no problem killing us.....there is no way those buildings were brought down by anything other than inside work sanctioned by people in our government.

Sez the self-taught structural engineer.

Sez the self-taught structural engineer.

lol

'I am really not a psychologist,” he said. “Our job was to come up with the best science.'

So, they don't want evidence, what they really want is therapy.

Believe your government, if it gives you closure.

Believe your government

and engineers, and scientists, and demolitions experts

ugh i can't believe people just follow them blindly, you know??

The experts are certainly not unanimous http://tinyurl.com/3nw7ol

I want to know who invented jet fuel that can burn hot enough to melt steel because the last time I checked, it can't.

I want to know who invented jet fuel that can burn hot enough to melt steel because the last time I checked, it can't.

i can't even tell if you're serious

if you are serious: fuck you, you insane moron, it only needed to weaken the support of the steel, not completely melt it

if you are not serious: gj dude

The experts are certainly not unanimous http://tinyurl.com/3nw7ol

that blog posting uses the fact that no report has been published about WTC7 as a supporting argument as for why it was demolished with explosives, as do nearly all the academics that question the whole 'fire destroying a building' story. i mean, read what some of them say about it:

Surely these Orwellian consequences of public ignorance constitute more than sufficient motivation for any patriotic American physicist or engineer to join the search for 9/11 Truth!

'As Bachmann told the Neue Züricher Zeitung Online on September 13, 2001, at first glance there seemed to be two possibilities in the fall of the towers. The first was the fire and its effect on the steel supports. But Bachmann had an alternative: 'In the second scenario, an additional terrorist action would have caused the collapse of the buildings. In this way, according to Bachmann, buildings like the World Trade center can be destroyed without great logistical exertion.' The article went on to say that 'Bachmann could imagine that the perpetrators had installed explosives on key supports in a lower floor before the attack.'

yeah i mean it COULD have been fire...OR ALSO they planted explosives! just as likely!

Huge discrepancies persist in basic facts, such as when it crashed into the Pennsylvania countryside near Shanksville. The official impact time according to NORAD, the North American Air Defense Command, is 10:03 a.m. Later, U.S. Army seismograph data gave the impact time as 10:06:05. The FAA gives a crash time of 10:07 a.m. And The New York Times, drawing on flight controllers in more than one FAA facility, put the time at 10:10 a.m.

Up to a seven-minute discrepancy?

WHOA seven whole minutes, i smell ZOG conspiracy

you'll note that virtually none of these people have any scientific claims.

it's bizarre. they make these weird speculative political points, with an awful lot of what-ifs and a disgusting amount of can't-be-trues with no follow up as to why

but i take it none of you actually read this stuff

condensed version for those niggers too lazy to read about how it wasn't jet fuel

“Our take-home message today is the reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery,” Dr. Sunder said at a news conference at the institute’s headquarters. “It did not collapse from explosives or fuel oil fires.”

investigators determined that the heat from the fire caused girders in the steel floor of 7 World Trade Center to expand. As a result, steel beams underneath the floors that provided lateral support for the tower’s structural columns began to buckle or put pressure against the vertical structural columns.

These fires might have been fed partly by the diesel from tanks and a pressurized fuel line, which were on the fifth to the ninth floors, Dr. Sunder said. But the analysis showed that even in the worst case, the diesel fuel-fed fire would not have burned hot enough or long enough to have played a major role in weakening the structure. The investigators determined that the fire that day was fed mainly by office paper and furnishings.

i'd like to get a copy of the computer program to try out different ways of collapsing the wtc, kind of like jfk reloaded

NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND FIRES NEVER DESTROY BUILDINGS

oh i seeeeeeee, its just like when they say guns don't kill people right? durrrrr

nocal: 'stuff, stuff, something, something, werds, stuff, niggarpie, stuff'

I love it when you get all educational and shit on our asses. I think it makes me semi-hard and a little goosebumpy :-)~ but not in a gay way or anything like that.

Larry Silverstein, the dude who owned the building, went on ABC or whatever and said publicly that they destroyed it. It's awesome how they can lie through their teeth and nobody picks up on it.

Larry Silverstein, the dude who owned the building, went on ABC or whatever and said publicly that they destroyed it. It's awesome how they can lie through their teeth and nobody picks up on it.

fucking idiots out of the woodwork. let's look at what he actually said, from the link:

'I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.'

'pull it' means to tell the firefighters to get the fuck out of there.

that is to say, there are a shitload of people fighting the fire to try and put it out. it's starting to look like the fire is growing. it's starting to look serious.

silverstein can either say nothing and hope they can put it out, or he can tell them to get the fuck out and save their skin.

he made the executive decision to pull them out.

hence 'pull it.'

do you think he would blow up the building with explosives, desire to keep it a secret in such a way that perhaps hundreds of people are complicit in the scheme, and then go on live tv and straight up admit to blowing up the building?

don't you conspiracy freaks believe in these giant secrets? how come whenever it's convenient for you, no one can keep these HUGE secrets?

The WTC wasn't all that, anyways. I can see why the govt destroyed it, as opposed to, say, Madison Square or that awful museum designed by that chinese dude.

^ werd.

Or that stupid Reichstag building.

nocal: do you think he would blow up the building with explosives, desire to keep it a secret in such a way that perhaps hundreds of people are complicit in the scheme, and then go on live tv and straight up admit to blowing up the building?
Pretty much yeah. That sums it up. People do what they're told and get paid. Did you watch that documentary? They even say 'pull it' is also a demolition term.

oh ok gotcha

i though that there were people in the building and he told them to get out to save their lives

but in actuality, there were bombs in the building, so he told them to get out, and then once it blew up, he freely admitted -- using an uncommon term -- that he only told the firefighters to get out because of the bombs. the firefighters also used this terminology because they were in on it.

i guess that makes sense if you are really, really stupid

Our Government has never before lied to us to get us into war... USS Maine Pearl Harbor Gulf of Tonkin Gulf War 1 WMDs in Iraq

...you unpatriotic sonsabitches.

Just because he said that doesn't make it true. Or I guess it does if you're really, really stupid.

Just because he said that doesn't make it true. Or I guess it does if you're really, really stupid.

lol yase a fire or bombs? hm yes probably bombs, and my argument hinges on the semantics of an old dude

this is an intelligent argument because *fartz boogers

I want to know who invented jet fuel that can burn hot enough to melt steel because the last time I checked, it can't.

Steel doesn't need to melt before being sufficiently weakened to the point where it can no longer hold up a skyscraper.

nocal: 'fartz boogers'

There is no way around this argument. Yew win.

mitchondrialadam: 'Steel doesn't need to melt before being sufficiently weakened to the point where it can no longer hold up a skyscraper.'

Yes, and this explains the pools of molten steel found under the debris?

__ YES

__ NO

I can has metallic hat?

Yes, and this explains the pools of molten steel found under the debris?

A pool of metal steel in no way confirms it melting from jet fuel in the crash, just that it melted. I'm not a scientist or a metallurgist. but wouldn't tons of pressure increase the heat in pockets of the rubble?

also unexplained: how come jews all knew what was coming

i saw this google video that said that they

Yes, and this explains the pools of molten steel found under the debris?

here's the thing about you fucking conspiracy believers: you repeat this shit in a vacuum.

do you happen to know whether there are pools of molten steel in the debris of buildings that have been blown up in a controlled demolition? what about in a fire or catastrophic collapse?

I DON'T KNOW AND NEITHER DO YOU SO WHY DO YOU REPEAT IT LIKE IT'S PROOF YOU FUCKING MORON

This flick points out some interesting FACTs relating primarily to the 'joke' 9/11 commission, it's joke budget, and the joke players. (It's not a shitty loose change type flick.)

Enjoy!

Okay I am so sick and tired of the idiots of this world claiming the towers were brought down by explosives. Dear gods , I blaim the suckage that is the educational system for this.

As someone who HAS worked as an engineer, and has a good grasp of the material sciences let me set something straight. It is bloody fucking AMAZING that the towers did not come down the second they were hit. My hat is off to the engineers that built something so incredible to be able to take the shot they did and not come down that instant.

You see, it has to do with big numbers. Most of the idiots that spout loose change and conspiracy cannot or will not do the math. Or as we hold their little hands as they scan the sky for black helicopters and try and explain it. Because of the craptastic education system in this country they cannot accept it. Because in their little world they cannot wrap their little minds around the numbers.

I have tried to simplify it. down to basics that a 4 year old can understand and I will again. First things first, Fluids don't compress well... this is rather fucking important as it means the thousands of pounds of fuel in those tanks on those planes might as well have been steel blocks. I often want to take one of these conspriacy nutjobs, set him on the side of the road and hit him with a waterballoon at oh, 100mph. and see how much of his face I crush as I throw it at him. then a beer can filled with water at 450 MPH and see how big a hole I punch through him.

Basic understanding of the forces of the universe and how they are applied. = Oh NOES I HAS KINETIC CAN O BEER OF DOOM.

Geezus fucking christ America. Science and understanding of the maths involved have launched shuttles and cured us of disease, but apply it to a conspiracy then all the scientists are 'IN' on it and are keeping the truth from you.

READ A FUCKING BOOK. learn how much energy was imparted on the structures of those buildings and THEN come back with the MATH to show me your proof that they should have stood. If you even begin to calculate it and compare it to the .. what the fuck , you don't care. DUR conspiracy's are cool

Again back to 4 year old mode, consider that a piece of FOAM like you would have for your cooler at ballistic speed ripped a huge hole through the heat sheilding, tiles, structual members and skin in the wing of the space shuttle.

FOAM at 650.00 mph. replace that with a same sized vessel of water and it would have obliterated the orbiter it and the fuel tank at takeoff.

Please , for gods sakes America , grasp the reality of math and basic physics. You are gonna kill us all unless you do.

perhaps there should be a warning on the frontpage when links like this get posted, something like this?

nocal: 'I DON'T KNOW AND NEITHER DO YOU SO WHY DO YOU REPEAT IT LIKE IT'S PROOF YOU FUCKING MORON'

You don't know and I don't know so I'M RIGHT. RASBERRY

(this is the; 'my theory is smarter than your theory' argument. It's as circular on my end as it is on yours.)

solion: 'READ A FUCKING BOOK. learn how much energy was imparted on the structures of those buildings and THEN come back with the MATH to show me your proof that they should have stood.'

Hey, here's an idea: YOU READ A BOOK AND GET BACK WITH US WHEN YOU HAVE PROOF THAT THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MOLTEN STEEL THERE.

(This is the rubber/glue argument and it has worked since 3rd grade. When done correctly, no can defend Daniel-Son.)

*Mobius strips all up in yo ASSES*

nocal: i saw this google video that said that they

shitbox: google video

you people are pretty predictable, you know

Whilst I completely don’t care about this subject matter – this thread is heading towards Epic to some degree.

Why are the conspiracy theorists always going on about steel melted by jet fuel anyway? I totally buy the physics behind jet fuel HEATING girders to point of weakening, building bending over like a faggot and collapsing on itself into a big inferno mound of death. Ruptured gas pipes, burning office furniture, burning people, burning JET FUEL reaching high enough temperatures to melt steel girders – yeah, don’t see why not.

guitarjon noo

nocal: i saw this google video that said that they

shitbox: google video

you people are pretty predictable, you know

Did you watch it?

haha

fuck a cat

feels good man

pussy pussy is like double pussy

I think ultimately what it comes down to is the terrorism through ignorance and fear. It prevails in the minds of conspiracy theory advocates around 9/11 abd that bothers me the most.

Simple understanding of the world in which we live, would in most cases make us point and laugh at these people. But in the mass ignorance of people in America , the conspiracy nutjob plies his trade to forward an agenda or for simple greed.

Simple questions like, ' do you know what a eutectic reaction is? '

Look it up, i know what it is an why there could be a puddle of steel. But then it is not as sexy as a conspiracy. science never is it seems Lets not even get into the fact the plastics from every computer teminal , rugs , foam rubber from chairs, are sulfur producers.

My final word is this http://911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html

But only if you want some thoughtful insight to how the world really works.

solion: 'I often want to take one of these conspriacy nutjobs, set him on the side of the road and hit him with a waterballoon at oh, 100mph. and see how much of his face I crush as I throw it at him. then a beer can filled with water at 450 MPH and see how big a hole I punch through him.'

I find this very disturbing coming from a dude that likes to dress up like a lion - complete with freaky robotic lion head - in search of stuffing his penis into furry man-animal dudes in sweaty Disney suits for fun.

Other than that slight quirk, you totally have a grip on reality, right?

solion: 'Simple understanding of the world in which we live, would in most cases make us point and laugh at these people.'

FURRY LOL

Other than that slight quirk, you totally have a grip on reality, right?

is it a sad day when a furry is making sense and i think you're trolling because i actually thought -- for a brief moment -- wotak isn't that stupid?

FURRY LOL!

FAT LOL!

CHAOTIC LOL!

TRUTH LOL!

OMG OMG

Have you guys tried fucking a cat yet? Get back to me.

tantrum = anti-lol

911 + catfucking, this is why I <3 linkswarm.

If you'll allow me to add to this cockfight, here's an interesting watch if you haven't seen it yet, albeit a little long:

Molten steel plus angled cuts on steel beams implies thermite.

A-HAH!

correction: tantrum = penultimatelol

The video is tripe and has no scientific value. They have words words words but nothing in the math department.

again do you know what a eutectic reaction is? it happens as scientific fact .

Tell me, have you ever worked steel, I have melted, cut , bent, twisted and welded the stuff for years. from low quality low carbon to S7 , H8 and Damascus. One of my best friends as an actual forge. and the crap spewed in the video is BULLSHIT

That and the fire with all that plastic and hyrocarbons can get up to 1000c !

I have, more than once seen a thermite burn. THATS NOT THERMITE. I have actually set steel on fire more than once and seen a eutectic reaction in progress.

Good lord, Again , read a book before you conspiracy nuts fuck us all with your freaking otherworldy Fizzicks

And Wotak you troll, The conspiracy nuts in the world want to keep us in perpetual fear for their amusement and profit. Along with a mighty dash of 'I know more than the scientists neener neener neener!'

They rightly deserve the smash in the head for keeping people in a state of fear just like George W . It makes us all look like MORONS, or perhaps a new name is needed

... WOTAKS

The furry's tank is fite. Dare you step to this?

I've been text-smacked by a furry?

NOOOOOOOOO!

Damascus steel? Surely sir, you are a terrorist. I'm not sure if you're referring to the video I posted, and it definitely is conspiracy laden, but the thing that caught my eye was a pic of one of the vertical steel support beams, with a clean 45 degree slice taken out of it. I ain't no scientist, but that strikes me as suspicious. That, and the pools of molten steel in the basements of all three buildings, but maybe that was due to this eutectics that you speak of.

skip to 54:40 in to the vid

I ain't no scientist, but that strikes me as suspicious.

hence why you're fucking retarded

hm does steel break at 45 degree angles? what about in a fire, or a structural collapse?

GOSH I DUNNO HOW ABOUT I BASE A WHOLE CONSPIRACY AROUND IT THOUGH??

^ finally, you're seeing the light.

Now if we could just get that furry scientist engineer to open his eyes...

nocal you sexy scientist, tell me more, your swagger indicates you know everything

nocal you sexy scientist, tell me more, your swagger indicates you know everything

i think you missed the point, as so nocal eloquently pointed out, you twit.

he doesn't know everything, therefore will not state anything based on lack of knowledge and expertise in said field as fact.

also, you twit.

He also doesn't need to be a scientist to tell you that you're painfully incorrect, or just insane.

solion: 'That and the fire with all that plastic and hyrocarbons (sic) can get up to 1000c'

I'd actually like to see some data to support this claim. If this is true, we could start burning soda bottles to create the energy needed to create steel and that shit would fucking save whales and shit. I mean, 1832F from burning plastic? That's fucking AWESOME NEWS DUDE.

Are you developing this technology?

fuck a cat before a cat fucks you

I don't know anything about structural engineering or demolitions. But if Larry Silverstein's utterance of 'pull it,' meant he gave the order to pull out the firefighters, who put him in charge? Wouldn't the fire commander have made that call? Granted, Silverstein was the owner, but I don't know what power that would have given him in the situation. Unfortunately, the original question could be asked of the hypothetical demolition scenario. Which really doesnt increase the likeliness of either hypothesis. Hmmm, I actually was going to make a claim here but it seems that I have talked myself out of it. Oh wait, here's one, are there any firefighters out there in the swarm? Would anyone like to lie and say they are? What I mean by this is, no one cares who you are in the real world, if you cant prove your statements by pure logic or HTML (ie cite a verifiable source) get the fuck on.

your blind faith is disturbing nocal... hurr-pahrr

seriously check this http://www.nasforum.net/showthread.php?t=34667

I'm pretty sure that if the owner of the buildings - a man who probably has had more contact with the architects, engineers and contractors who designed and constructed the buildings and therefore a greater understanding of the buildings' abilities - said 'pull it', then the fire commander would be forced to take the command. I would imagine that this level of property ownership comes with a little larger knowledge of (or at least direct contact to knowledge of) little items like structural integrity under duress than does a fire commander, thus giving him an unofficial authority.

The shifting alliances of this thread disturb me.

Alliances are for the birds. Coincidentally, the birds are for the cats, which are quite fuckable.

Fuck a cat.

The 2004 election was like a 747 flying at 700 miles per hour loaded with 3200 gallons of jetfuel slamming into the tensed anus of America right after a head punch.

I'm not an engineer, but I think we got fucked.

solion: 'They have words words words but nothing in the math department. '

Com to think of it, you have shown no math either. Therefor your argument is rendered null. Right?

I have gently asked for math (please see above) and you have failed the swarm in this simple request. How can you hate America so blatantly?

solion: 'Tell me, have you ever worked steel, I have melted, cut , bent, twisted and welded the stuff for years. from low quality low carbon to S7 , H8 and Damascus. One of my best friends as an actual forge. and the crap spewed in the video is BULLSHIT '

Firstly, I'd like to see that footage. This site is all about sharing links. Please share.

Secondly, what lead you to using Damascus and H8 for anything other than bomb frags or armor plating? Is your furry head bullet-proof?

solion: 'Simple questions like, ' do you know what a eutectic reaction is? ' '

Einstein once said that if you couldn't explain something in layman's terms, you didn't understand it yourself... or something like that. Please explain to me what a 'eutectic reaction' is without using google. Then, show me your math.

In other words, Mr. Furry Scientist Engineer, MATH OR GTFO.

as a side note; are you a top or a bottom? Just curious.

I am skeptical as to the fire commander relinquishing command of the situation to an untrained civilian. It seems to be a reasonable assumption that the fire commander would have at least the same level of understanding of structural analysis as the owner, not to mention the fact that a fire department is a paramilitary organization, with a chain of command, and I am unsure of how a civilian property owner would fit into the picture. A good analogy would be a bank president directing a swat team in the event of robbery, etc. While it would be tempting to evaluate the likeliness of either a demolition or pullout, it seems to me that either one is equally unlikely.

On a digressive note: the towers' fall is too complex an event to evaluate, otherwise there wouldn't be such a divide amongst the experts involved. The Pentagon is the biggest hole in the official story.

I see what you are saying, but we are talking about megastructures. The fire command in place likely had a good working knowledge of many of the common structures in the environment, but these were two of the tallest buildings on the planet.

exclusive footage of what really happened

I don't know what special command voice billionaires might have over municipal employees, but I won't discount the possibility. Moving on, if we assume that Silverstein was in charge, what is to say that the 'pull it' = retreat scenario is more/less likely than the demolition scenario? I am aware of firefighters claiming to have heard explosions, but I don't believe such circumstantial evidence fulfills the burden of proof.

At that point, I don't believe it is a question of billionaires over municipal employees, I think it's a matter of specialized knowledge over procedure. As far as the explosion argument, I can only speculate that thousands of pounds of failing steel and concrete falling onto thousands of pounds of concrete and steel would be very loud. We have no idea how an entire floor of a building collapsing down to another floor of said building would sound to the human ear due to a lack of testing, however, we know that if one thing falls on another thing, it is louder if the soundwaves are contained, reverberated and therefore amplified by a surrounding structure (such as the walls below the floors that fell).

I can't imagine that sound, no one could unless the were within the structure of a building of that size collapsing in on itself.

Firefighters also heard catfucking. Coincidence? I think not.

The Pentagon is the biggest hole in the official story.

Meyssan, who is not a journalist no matter how hard he tries, was drawn to the case when he noticed that the images of the jet that crashed into the Pentagon just didn't look right. It's unclear how he reached this conclusion, since a jet had never crashed into the Pentagon before, leaving no comparative basis for a proper evaluation. His theory was based primarily on the fact that you couldn't see the wreckage of the plane anywhere.

Funny thing is, you couldn't see the wreckage of the planes that hit the World Trade Center towers either. That's because they were, as the scientists like to say, 'blowed up'. Unperturbed by the fact that two planes were obliterated in fiery crashes on live television the very same day, Meyssan parlayed his vision into a book that was a bestseller in France and around the globe, and no