Now, why would a government of big business, by big business and for big business not want to clean up after big business when it shits the bed?

This actually slipped under my morning news radar. Thanks for swarming it, Mund.

gross

tar and feather these traitors!

do you still beleive you are in a democracy? shis is pure fascism of the worst kind.

do you still beleive you are in a democracy?

yeah, we're not in a pure democracy. maybe check wikipedia for what kind of a government we have.

http://www.remember.org/hist.root.what.html for how to recognize fascism, and

http://www.infocostarica.com/general/democracy.html one random article about democracy in costa rica...

wotak, i am in the third world, but that does not mean its a shitheap of a country. actually you'd prolly love it here. come around on vacation, you won't regret it... ant most likely would not want to go back.

nocal, just cause wikipedia says something, doesn't necesarrily make it true. besides, there can't be any kind democracy with stolen elections... just to mention one point.

'wotak, i am in the third world, but that does not mean its a shitheap of a country. actually you'd prolly love it here. come around on vacation, you won't regret it... ant most likely would not want to go back.'

Cool, can I fuck your mother for 9,000 pesos?

I'll be gentle, I swear, and your twin brothers will be famous!

nocal, just cause wikipedia says something, doesn't necesarrily make it true.

no way!

besides, there can't be any kind democracy with stolen elections... just to mention one point.

dude i'm going to blow your mind here:

ready?

america is not a democracy
it was never intended to be a democracy

:brain explodes:

The telco's were ordered here, what could they do??

say something to the effect of 'sure, show us a warrant'?

i'm sure they're not unfamiliar with FISA requests, so tapping the vein wholesale should have been a little suspicious.

'Senate OKs Immunity For Telecoms'

It would be interesting to know if the same folks that voted for the War In Iraq, and more importantly, the PATRIOT Act, also voted for this.

^ you bet

patriot act votes

immunity votes - note the vote is to recind immunity, so yeas are for rejecting immunity.

basically, everyone voted for the patriot act. whether it was jingoism or 45 minutes to read the whole thing, you decide.

more on immunity

crossing over to vote nay were Sens. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), Evan Bayh (D-IA), Daniel Inouye (D-HI), Tim Johnson (D-SD), Herb Kohl (D-WI), Mary Landrieu (D-LA), Claire McCaskill (D-MO), Mark Pryor (D-AR), Blanche Lincoln (D-AR), Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Ken Salazar (D-CO), Tom Carper (D-DE), Barbara Mikulski (D-MD), Jim Webb (D-VA), Ben Nelson (D-NE), Bill Nelson (D-FL), Kent Conrad (D-ND), and Debbie Stabenow (D-MI).

p.s.

McCain: No
Obama: Yes
Clinton: Did not vote

p.p.s. the house now has to pass this same bill and they've previously condemned immunity by a decent margin, so there's still hope.

p.p.p.s. how is this not ex post facto, which is expressly prohibited by the constitution?

Prohibited by the what?