I'm going to guess that they won't let regular citizens buy these things... The Police are being slowly turned into a militarized force, fully capable of fighting dissent.

Yeah, but your 'safe'. Right?

Nobody's truly safe from wotak-AIDS. No?

I would be safe from Wotak-AIDS if I could shoot them from around the corner.

Everyone named tantrum in this thread deserves a mouf full of wotak aids.

I just keep wondering what happens when the bad guys and the good guys both have these.

They stand there hiding behind the corners trying to shoot each other.

Eventually they run out of ammo, I guess.

ok, but what about when the bad guy IS the good guy... Do we really want such a highly-militarized police force? It seems like it will make you safe, until they knock down your door and taser you, or worse, stick a rifle in your face at 2am....



Is that shit really necessary?

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BTW, for Greycube... the thing has a camera and a little LCD screen, so you can see that there is nobody actually there and not waste ammo. If the 'bad guy' was not within the fucking bullseye on the screen, you'd have to shoot him the old-fashioned way, I presume...

JUST KIDDING, they'd use tear gas to flush him out to where they could shoot him more easily.

Should be interesting when gangs and gangsters get a hold of these things

it will be interesting when bullets don't matter

^ sadly, I don't think that day will ever come.............

ok, but what about when the bad guy IS the good guy... Do we really want such a highly-militarized police force? It seems like it will make you safe, until they knock down your door and taser you, or worse, stick a rifle in your face at 2am....

I like how you use the picture of a patriot protecting your country from foreign invaders, and spin it to make him look like a jackbooted thug. What would you use to expel the communists from your soil, candy and flowers you fucking simpleton?

Look everyone, a vote for Ron Paul is a vote for tyranny, and jackassery.

etain: ^ sadly, I don't think that day will ever come.............
Agreed. It may be possible in a few ways, like when the cockroaches rule the world, or Tuatha Dé Danann replays atomically.

^ I'll put my money on Tuatha Dé Danann

coire fhís

deoch dearmaid

I prefer gin, with lime juice. Works well for me.

^....but will it let you forgive those who have wronged you? Me thinks a fine single malt works better

And $5000 for a hunk of playmobile plastic and the electronics from a kids toy [url]http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2339043[/url] is just going to mean that more money will be hoovered out of your wallet next Apreil 15th.

I like how you use the picture of a patriot protecting your country from foreign invaders, and spin it to make him look like a jackbooted thug. What would you use to expel the communists from your soil, candy and flowers you fucking simpleton?

Look everyone, a vote for Ron Paul is a vote for tyranny, and jackassery.

... said the tyrannical canadian jackass.

Elian Gonzalez was hardly a foreign invader, and while, I have no problem with THE COURTS determining that his father has custody and sending him home, there is a serious issue when the government dresses up cops in RIOT GEAR and BUSTS DOWN THE DOORS of the home of people who had every right to be in America, and may have even been citizens, with AUTOMATIC RIFLES and then points them in their faces... In the kid's face.

I want to defeat communism by instituting free-market capitalism. Lead by example, not by force.

Although communists DO have no soul, so killing them is okay ;-), but they can be cured, and that is ultimately better.

A vote for Ron Paul is a vote to end the police-state.

Where can I get a White Russian?

cops in RIOT GEAR and BUSTS DOWN THE DOORS of the home of people who had every right to be in America, and may have even been citizens, with AUTOMATIC RIFLES and then points them in their faces... In the kid's face.

you do realize that the picture is a setup? unless we have some amazing camera men who are allowed into a house before the SWAT team.

A vote for Ron Paul is a vote to end the police-state.

a vote for ron paul is a vote for [buzzword]

... said the tyrannical canadian jackass.
OH BURN!

Unsurprisingly, you miss the point, your FOXNEWS self took a visual aid and spun it to meet the personal slant of your post.

Elian Gonzalez was hardly a foreign invader
True, I won’t waste precious sarcasm on you again (well, I probably will).

…there is a serious issue when the government dresses up cops in RIOT GEAR and BUSTS DOWN THE DOORS of the home of people who had every right to be in America, and may have even been citizens, with AUTOMATIC RIFLES and then points them in their faces... In the kid's face.

HAHA, you are doing it again.

You seem to love your constitution so much, why don’t you hug this part too:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

On April 13, 2000, Janet Reno ordered that the little invader be returned to his father.

On April 20, 2000, the order was given to remove mini-Fidel, and on the 22nd the Border patrol approached the house, knocked (receiving no answer) and entered the house. They had probable cause, and the unquestionable rule of law, and the particulars of the person to be seized.

Elian’s cousin had previously stated to a Justice Officer 'You think we just have cameras in the house? If people try to come in, they could be hurt.' , so the cops came in with swat gear. I know this picture is scary, but these dudes didn’t don this equipment to be able to throw wicked head butts and elbows, they did it to protect themselves, which is SOP.

A SUB-MACHINE GUN toted into a possibly hostile situation is more effective than teddy bears. This Canadian is confused because we don’t have selective asshats like you sniveling when law enforcement isn’t applied with a nerfbat.
What kind of America you want?

A vote for Ron Paul is a vote to end good governance.

I can't believe how much I agree with Kahuna....am I really that far gone?

LK: Don't be such a fascist douche.

Nobody in the house was armed. The cops were armed and wearing SWAT gear. How about when you realize that nobody is armed, you STOP POINTING GUNS AT THEM.

He's pointing a gun at an unarmed kid and a dude. The kid isn't going to shoot. The kid can't even move.

But you are right LK. Stalin was good governance too... people dissent? Shoot them. Not enough food to go around? Let some Ukrainians die.

Elian's case was just one instance where the government did that shit. They do it all the time. They don't even knock. Or if they do, they don't wait for you to answer, they just bust the door down and come in, guns-drawn. If you're unarmed, who cares, you're still going to have a gun pointed in your face.

Sometimes I wonder if maybe we shouldn't be banning citizens from owning guns -- maybe we should be banning the government.

http://wcco.com/crime/minneapolis.police.raid.2.612926.html

How about when the SWAT team is called in to a VFW hall to bust up a poker game? Is that necessary?
http://www.reason.tv/video/show/172.html

'The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses'
This part disagrees with you already...

' papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.'

Oh and those warrants have to be issued by a judge. NOT by Janet Reno. K?

But seriously, you can go ahead and have martial law up there in Canada. I'll live where the government respects the rights and property of it's citizens.

' I'll live where the government respects the rights and property of it's biggest businesses and highest bidders.

FIXTD

LK: Don't be such a fascist douche.
Don't be such a grandstanding faggot.

Nobody in the house was armed. The cops were armed and wearing SWAT gear. How about when you realize that nobody is armed, you STOP POINTING GUNS AT THEM.

Were you there, how do you know that they didn't?

That picture was taken just as they breached the door, the agen was in full control with his finger off the trigger alongside the trigger guard. He was lawfully executing an order from the Attorney General of your united of states.

But you are right LK. Stalin was good governance too... people dissent? Shoot them. Not enough food to go around? Let some Ukrainians die.

This is stupid, I don't agree with you and you paint me with the Stalin brush (why don't you invoke Hitler while you are at it). Where did I say......OH I GET IT I AM A COMMIE CANUCK LOLOLOL. (dumbass)

Seriously what are they teaching you in school, underwater yodeling and cutting with scissors?

Elian's case was just one instance where the government did that shit.

What shit, what?!? Do what is right? I don't hold any great love for your gubmint, but you keep cherry picking your Ron Paul soapbox points, I bet if he was here he would be facepalming the fuck outa himself.

Sometimes I wonder if maybe we shouldn't be banning citizens from owning guns -- maybe we should be banning the government.

BUZZZZZWORDZEZ

uart spouts more poop about a time when justice was miscarried or the government overstepped it's bounds then dishes this gem:

warrants have to be issued by a judge.

Do border guards have to get a warrant tossing mexicans back across the Rio Grande?



But seriously, you can go ahead and have martial law up there in Canada. I'll live where the government respects the rights and property of it's citizens.

I think you need to stop painting the rest of the world with the unamerica brush, seriously it's a big world out there.

Ok, seriously, the issue wasn't that Elian was deported. I don't care about that. Frankly I'm over Elian.. it was just a convenient picture of the militarized police busting into someone's home. They do that all the time, and not just in situations where they can expect to be shot at.

They raided a VFW hall during a poker game. This is a group of people who hold annual charity fundraising events and all sorts of other 'good deeds,' and the police felt the need to whip out the SWAT gear and the high-powered rifles to tell them they can't play poker. They had no reason to expect that anyone inside was armed. The VFW is not known to stockpile weapons. These are all otherwise law-abiding people.

BUT THE GOVERNMENT NEEEEEEDDDS TO SHUT DOWN THEIR POKER GAME

So, obviously the only way for the government to do that is to break the door down and point rifles at people. Right?

Do border guards have to get a warrant tossing mexicans back across the Rio Grande? Does a police officer need a warrant to arrest you when he catches you red-handed robbing a bank?

No.

Does a police officer need a warrant to come into your house and look for evidence?

Yes.

Do they need a warrant to seize anything?

Yes.

There is a distinct difference between telling a Mexican who crosses the border illegally to go home when you catch him, and forcefully entering a legal resident's home. Kids don't get much choice in the matter of where they live. In fact, had his father not come to America and sued for custody, Elian would've been allowed to remain in America.

Nonetheless, I really don't see the benefit in having or encouraging martial law because it is deemed convenient in a few circumstances. Maybe that's because I don't trust the government and politicians not to abuse their power. Maybe your experience is different.

^1044 words this thread, you just hate brown folks dont ya?

...it was just a convenient picture of the militarized police busting into someone's home.

LOLOLOOOOLLOLOL

(this was the snax I was looking for you faggot)

ok. thnx. You are right, the police never do anything wrong, and the government can always be trusted. We should probably keep the troops in Iraq and invade Iran because George Bush says so, and we do want an efficient government don't we...

My use of that picture was evil spin designed to make you believe that the government doesn't love you like a mother. The government will never hurt you, and all police officers are fine, upstanding gentlemen who hate the use of force.

I STAND CORRECTED.

'In fact, last week, just as Rep. Sensenbrenner was scheduling this week’s hearings, a SWAT team in Dodgeville, Wisconsin broke open a window, rolled in a diversionary grenade, and raided an innocent couple’s home in full battle gear. The terrified occupants were handcuffed at gunpoint before police realized they had struck the wrong apartment. Last December, a Pewaukee, Wisconsin SWAT team made a similar mistake, violently breaking into the home of retired lawyer H. Victor Buerosse. ... Bueorosse grew understandably furious when he learned that the real target of the raid, his neighbor, was suspected of no more than the recreational use of marijuana.

In October 2000, a black-clad SWAT team mistakenly raided the home of Wendy and Jesus Olveda and their three-year-old daughter Zena. Agents forced their way into the family’s home, and pushed the couple down to the floor at gunpoint with boots to their necks while the terrified little girl looked on. When police realized they had the wrong address, they left without explanation. That raid came five years after another botched raid in which police shot and killed Wisconsin resident Scott Bryant in front of his eight-year-old son.'

http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=YTcyYTI4ZDgzYmUwMjVlMDczNzBjYTYzOGE5MTMzNTg=

http://www.examiner.net/stories/121907/new_226940470.shtml (SWAT team used to enforce a smoking ban... efficient?