SAD.

SADLY, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO BUY YOUR WAY INTO HEAVEN WITH 300 ROSES.

† I thought it was a lovely tribute to her legacy †

LOLLY

Tammy Faye Joins The Thread.

Welcome to the thread, Tammy Faye. We've been waiting for you.

To answer Slippedhole from another post on Tammy Faye, My post was on the compassion of a man without a god or fear of a god, That I as a good person without the need of golden roads or the gifts of heaven, Nor the fear of damnation and ever burning agony of the lake of fire. That I as a man. As a human being without these trappings of faith or guidance of a higher power, Would not as a higher power myself. Ever, ever let someone who believed in me suffer the unspeakable agony of a wasting cancer death. The only thing that comes close to it is perhaps being burned alive. ... slowly

I am a good person, I say that in full freedom that I treat my fellow human beings with respect, dignity and Justly. But I do so without the guiding hand of an invisible man in the sky. I fear no gods or devils. no greed or promise of goodies if I am good, Nor fear if I am bad.. I am good because it is the right thing to do. Because society runs better for everyone if we are decent people to one another.

You on the other hand do the things you do for reward or fear. That is not choice, that is slavery. Your choices every day are made via greed or fear of pain. I will allow everyone else to judge who is the more 'moral' person because of that. And I applaud anyone who can be a decent person without either.

As for dear old Tammy. hers is a face of horror we don't see enough of. If you believe in god , then cancer is gods creation as well. And every suffering person out there that prays for a miracle, Should pray for science.

Science and technology, Reason and understanding cures millions every day across the face of this planet. And that which killed her... one day wont for all of us

I bet ya a billion dollars it will be a doctor, Not an evangelist that finds a cure.

Have you ever tried to lick your own elbow?

Fuck that's hard.

BRAINZ

Solion, unfortunatly, I doubt slippedhole is going to listen to logic or reason. I'm with you bro.

To answer Slippedhole from another post on Tammy Faye, My post was on the compassion of a man without a god or fear of a god, That I as a good person without the need of golden roads or the gifts of heaven, Nor the fear of damnation and ever burning agony of the lake of fire.

WE ARE BUT TINY VICTIMS OF GOD’S GRAB BAG OF TORTURE , I WILL NOT HAVE YOU BESMIRCHING THE NOTION OF HIS OMNIPRESENT WISDOMS. TRULY GOOD PEOPLE MUST SUFFER HIS BENEVOLENT URGES TO KNOW THE FRUITS OF HIS HEAVENLY OFFERINGS. THE PAIN WE WITHSTAND IN THIS LIFE MAKES US ALL-THE-MORE WORTHY OF HIS GLORIOUS CLUTCHES IN THE AFTERLIFE!

IT IS REALLY YOU WHO LEAVE IN FEAR-- FEAR OF BEING WRONG, OF DRIFTING ALONG THROUGH LIFE BLINDLY--WITH ONLY YOUR BIASED AND SPOILED CHILD-LIKE NOTIONS TO GUIDE YOU.


That I as a man. As a human being without these trappings of faith or guidance of a higher power, Would not as a higher power myself. Ever, ever let someone who believed in me suffer the unspeakable agony of a wasting cancer death. The only thing that comes close to it is perhaps being burned alive. ... slowly

I WILL AT FIRST FOCUS ON YOUR VEILED THREATS TO BURN ME ALIVE, BRO. LET ME SAY, I AM NOT AFRAID OF YOU. I FEAR IT IS YOUR TACTIC TO SIDETRACK THIS DEBATE WITH THREATS OF VIOLENCE, THUS ROBBING ME OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADMINISTER TO YOUR WOUNDED AND IGNORANT SOUL.

ANY AND ALL PAIN THAT YOU SUFFER OUTSIDE THE CONTEXT OF THE CHRISTIAN SYSTEM OF GOD MEANS NOTHING. YOU RECEIVE NO CREDIT FOR IT. SO BASICALLY YOU SUFFER FOR NOTHING WHEN YOU LIVE OUTSIDE GOD’S LAW. THE AGONY’S OF THIS WORLD AWAIT US ALL, AND I LIVE CONTENTLY WITH A GLORIOUS SENSE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS KNOWING THAT EVERYTHING WILL BE OK BECAUSE OF MY FAITH. ALL THAT YOU HAVE IS AN EMPTY SENSE OF DOUBT FOR CONSOLATION. NOW WHO SOUNDS LIKE THE WINNER WHEN I PUT IT LIKE THAT?

I am a good person, I say that in full freedom that I treat my fellow human beings with respect, dignity and Justly. But I do so without the guiding hand of an invisible man in the sky. I fear no gods or devils. no greed or promise of goodies if I am good, Nor fear if I am bad.. I am good because it is the right thing to do. Because society runs better for everyone if we are decent people to one another.

ACTUALLY, THAT’S A CROCK OF BULLCRAP. SOCIETY WOULD RUN MUCH BETTER IF ALL RIGHTOUS PEOPLE JUDGED AND CONDENMED THOSE WHO ARE EVIL INSTEAD LIVING OUT THIS POLITICALLY CORRECT SHAM WE CALL AMERICA. FREEDOM IS A DANGEROUS THING WHEN NOT USED IN ACCORDANCE WITH GOD’S WILL. I’M SO TIRED OF IGNORING SIN. THE EVIL MASSES MUST BE PUNISHED FOR THEIR LACK OF OBEDIENCE TO THE HOLY GOD. THOSE WHO SIT UPON THE FENCE (SUCH AS YOURSELF) WILL ONLY HAVE THEMSELVES TO BLAME WHEN THEY ARE LUMPED TOGETHER WITH THE DARK MASSES. YOUR SUPPOSED LACK OF FEAR BETRAYS YOU. GET READY TO BE PUNISHED.

As for dear old Tammy. hers is a face of horror we don't see enough of. If you believe in god , then cancer is gods creation as well. And every suffering person out there that prays for a miracle, Should pray for science.

YOU’D LIKE TO USE TAMMY AS AN EXAMPLE OF FEAR FOR YOUR CAUSE. YOU SEE, OUR IDEOLOGIES ARE NOT SO DIFFERENT IN OUR USE OF SCARE TACTICS TO MOTIVATE THE FAITHFUL, OR FAITHLESS AS IT SEEMS. MY ARGUMENT IS SIMPLY THAT WE ARE MUCH THE SAME, EXCEPT AT THE END OF YOUR LIFE—YOU GET NOTHING AND I GET EVERYTHING. YOUR LIFE IS MEANINGLESS, MINE WILL BE ONE OF GLORY AND CONSEQUENCE..

Science and technology, Reason and understanding cures millions every day across the face of this planet. And that which killed her... one day wont for all of us

REST ASSURED, YOU’LL DIE OF SOMETHING (IF NOT CANCER) SOONER OR LATER. AND THEN MY FRIEND, THAT ENORMOUS ‘UNKNOWN’ WILL BE WAITING FOR YOU. HAVE FUN WITH THAT SMUG ATHEIST ATTITUDE WHEN ETERNAL DAMNATION IS UPON YOU. MY HEART WEEPS COMPASSION FOr YOU AND YOUR BRETHREN.

I bet ya a billion dollars it will be a doctor, Not an evangelist that finds a cure.

ONLY FAITH IN LOVE WILL SET YOU FREE. IT’S SAD TO SEE THAT YOU CONSIDER A CURE FOR MILLIONS OF SUFFERING PEOPLE TO BE A CONTEST BETWEEN THE RIGHTEOUS AND THE EVIL. AGAIN, TRY TO CONSIDER THE LOVE WITHIN YOU INSTEAD OF CONSIDERING ONLY PERSONAL GAIN. YOU ATTACHMENT TO YOUR OWN DESIRES KEEPS YOU CLINGING SADLY TO THIS FALLEN WORLD. IF YOU TRULY WISH TO BE FREE, EMBRACE GOD INSTEAD OF YOURSELF.

Slippedhole, what proof is there of a god, let alone the FSM or other fairy tales?

Well, there we go folks. there is your glimpse into the mind of a modern day evangelical Christian. I would like to think I am being tooled by a troll, but as I have witnessed over and over again. The arguments he makes are the soft sell of people on the side of Fred Phelps and his people.

The wide eyed raving, the madness as he pounds the keys assured that
'WE ARE BUT TINY VICTIMS OF GOD’S GRAB BAG OF TORTURE' And all the while smiling, the warm glow of love of his god.

I leave him to his world, The love of his god. Sadly I doubt that if asked to leave the rest of us alone, to allow stem cell advancement or cures for cervical cancer to proceed. He won't.

After all, subverting gods torture is subverting his will. and we can't have that now can we.

Slippedhole, what proof is there of a god, let alone the FSM or other fairy tales?

THIS LINE OF REASONING IS ALWAYS THE EASIEST TO TEAR TO SHREDS-- WATCH ME WORK:

LET ME ANSWER YOUR QUESTION WITH A QUESTION THAT WILL CLEARLY ILLUSTRATE FOR YOU HOW MISUNDERSTOOD YOU ARE.

WHEN YOU GO TO A RESTAURANT AND ORDER A DISH, DO YOU HAVE PROOF THAT YOUR DISH WILL BE DELIVERED TO YOUR TABLE IN A TIMELY AND DELICIOUS MANNER? NO, YOU DON'T--DO YOU? YOU HAVE FAITH IN THE UNSPOKEN CONTRACT OF A BUSINESS AGREEMENT THAT WHAT YOU PAY FOR WILL BE DELIVERED.

I PROFESS THAT THE AGREEMENT I HAVE WITH GOD IS A 'METAPHYSICAL/HOLY' BUSINESS DEAL OF A SIMILAR NATURE.

I FIND IT TRAGIC THAT YOU WILL TRUST A STRANGER WITH FOOD YOU PUT IN YOUR BODY BUT WILL NOT TRUST GOD WITH YOUR ETERNAL SOUL.

I FIND IT TRAGIC THAT YOU WILL TRUST A STRANGER WITH FOOD YOU PUT IN YOUR BODY BUT WILL NOT TRUST GOD WITH YOUR ETERNAL SOUL.

That's a brilliant point.

How do you know when faith starts, though? I don't really feel anything happening. (I don't feel lighter or floaty or anything, if that's what it's supposed to feel like.)

Is God supposed to 'move through' me or something? I need a FAQ.

Well, there we go folks. there is your glimpse into the mind of a modern day evangelical Christian.

NOTICE HOW HE CHOOSES TO LUMP ME INTO SOME PHANTOM EVANGELICAL GROUP INSTEAD SUCCINCTLY ADDRESSING ANY OF THE SUBSTANTIVE COMMENTS I MADE. YOU ARE DEAD INSIDE, I AM TRYING TO LIGHT THE FLAME OF GOOD WITHIN YOU. IT'S NOT ABOUT WHO IS RIGHT, IT'S ABOUT PERCEPTIONS OF REALITY. MAYBE WHAT YOU BELIEVE WORKS FOR YOU IN THE CONTEXT OF YOU IGNORANT REFLEXES--WHATEVER. BUT CAN'T WE JUST LET EACH OTHER STAND INSIDE OUR OWN VERSIONS OF LOVE?

K, thanks Frans.

How do you know when faith starts, though? I don't really feel anything happening. (I don't feel lighter or floaty or anything, if that's what it's supposed to feel like.)

Is God supposed to 'move through' me or something? I need a FAQ.

FAITH IS A MUTUAL PROCESS BETWEEN YOU AND GOD. IT TAKES TIME. YOU AND GOD NEED TO SLOWLY BUILD A RELATIONSHIP OF TRUST. HOW THAT YOU ARE OPEN TO THE HIS EXISTENCE, HE WILL PERIODICALLY REACH INTO YOUR HEAD AND READ YOUR MIND. IF YOU ARE NOT MESSING AROUND AND HE DEEMS YOU WORTHY--YOU'LL START TO FEEL SOMETHING SPECIAL. THE EXPERIENCE OF 'GOD BRANDING YOU WITH HIS HOT POKER' IS DIFFERENT FOR EVERYONE. LOL, BRO. GOOD LUCK. I HOPE YOU FIND HAPPINESS AND PURPOSE OUTSIDE OF THIS WEBSITE--WHERE YOU PRETTY MUCH RULE WITH AN IRON FIST LIKE GOD--AND IF I CAN BE SO BOLD, MAKES 'REAL LIFE' PALE IN COMPARISON. MY LOVING WISH FOR YOU IS THAT YOU FIND FULLFILLMENT IN BOTH THE FLESHY AND ELECTRONIC WORLD, BRO.

Vas, might I interest you in some kool aid?

I don't understand?

Vas, might I interest you in some kool aid?

YOU EXHIBIT AN CHILDISH OPPOSITION TO SPIRITUAL LOGIC. IT TAKES A LOT OF STUBBORN EFFORT TO REMAIN IN AN INFANTILE UNDERSTANDING OF REALITY-- CONGRATULATIONS. MOST CANNOT RESIST ME.

BUT I CAN CLEARLY SURMISE THROUGH THE NERVOUS, JOKING TONE IN YOUR COMMENTS--THAT YOU CAN FEEL MY HOLY INTELLECT SLOWLY PENETRATING YOU. MY SPIRITUAL ARGUMENT IS POUNDING YOU, OVER AND OVER, SEARCHING FOR ANY CRACK OR ORIFICE IN YOUR ATHEIST THOUGHTS.
SOON YOU WILL QUESTION YOUR HEARTLESS IDEOLOGY AND FIND YOUR THOUGHTS DRIFTING TO LOVE AND COMPASSION.

I truely believe nothing is sacred. Religion is a tool used to control the masses. I can find love and compassion without a childish belief in fairy tales.

PS, I think you need a new keyboard, your Caps Lock key seems to be stuck.

I truely believe nothing is sacred.

i'm pretty sure if god pulled a zeus and swanraped your mom you'd be singing a different tune.

Agreed, Mundhra. Too bad God, Allah, Zeus, Thor, Ra or any other diety has ever made contact with me, or anyone else in a recordable way. That is why I view myself as agnostic.

BEST TEXTWAR PIC EVA!

Thank you good sir/ma'am.

A fairly subtle confluence of references, when you think about it.

(It was not me.)

So, Vas, are you ready to hear THE GOSPEL OF GEEEEEEEEEEEEZUS? He's your own personal LORD and SAVIOR! Step right up and receive his blessin'!

Don't be callow. Is it impossible to imagine a spiritual awakening coming at a surprising time? Are you so drunk on intellectuality that you have placed yourself beyond the universe's comforting?

Actually, I find that the more I understand the universe, the more I feel better about things that are out of my control, i.e. Death.

I do disdain the charlatans and false prophets who prey on the needy and week-minded. Particularly, the Evangelical Movement in the United States has got out of control. It now has too much political power and threatens our constitutional liberty.

No, it protects it. Why do you think they have a 'Liberty University'? That isn't by accident. America needs a powerful praying force in power during these terror-troubled times.

Psalm 14:1
The fool says in his heart, 'There is no God.' They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.

Our modern overly-sensitive ears are startled when language like this is used. However, when the Bible speaks of 'fools' and 'foolishness' it isn't engaging in adolescent name calling. Instead, the word 'fool' is used to describe a person who is in a state of moral and intellectual dullness.

Unbelievers actually know the truth about God, but they suppress that truth in unrighteousness. That is, they know the Christian God, but because they do not want to submit to him, they run from him and suppress their knowledge of him. Thus, the Christian should not argue from the vantage point of human autonomy - intellectual or moral.

Slippedhole, you should know better than to cast your pearls before swine.

(PS, I'm gonna pray for you both).

Exodus 22:19
Whoever lies with an animal shall surely be put to death.

So there.

Slippedhole, you should know better than to cast your pearls before swine.

SO TRUE.

I NEED TO LEARN TO PICK AND CHOOSE MY BATTLES. IT SEEMS THAT SLEX WILL FOREVER BE LOST TO HIS SILLY NOTIONS. I BET HE EATS THE GARNISH BEFORE THE MAIN COURSE. HAHA LOL. I BET YOU WASH YOUR GROIN BEFORE YOUR FACE. WAKE UP, BRRO. YOU ARE GOING TO HATE YOURSELF MORE AND MORE AND I WILL BEAT THE RESPONSIBLE AGNOSTIC OUT OF YOU. I CAN FORESEE , I AM A BIG MAN. ENOUGH ENOUGH, THEY WAY I LIVE MY LIFE IS SUCCESSFUL AND YOU ARE A FAILURE. I WILL COME TO YOUR HOME IF YOU WANT TO TALK. INSTANTANEOUS!! APPROUCH ME, I KNOW THIS HA BECOME HARD TO READ BUT AS THE NIGHT PROGRESSES GOD GIVES ME HOT HEADS...YES? HAHA
OK.