azron123Sat Oct 14
 
That's a real hero. He died to save his buddies. I have enormous respect for this guy and what he did.
 
 
ghostriderSat Oct 14
 
In a way, I can see this as being more instinctual than intellectual. I can see him thinking 'WHAT THE FUCK AM I DOING' as he is jumping on a bomb.
 
 
andrew748Sat Oct 14
 
instinctive action rather than calculated

doesn't change the end result guy's a hero, but how the fuck did the enemy get close enough to a sniper hideout to lob a grenade?

i went to and arms fair in 2002 and saw sniper rifles that have an accurate range of 1.5 km
 
 
vasudevaSat Oct 14
 
Aw, this guy's a showoff.
 
 
andrew748Sat Oct 14
 
if your comment is directed at me a bit of back ground for you.

the fair was originally called army live fire and was a trade exhibit i was invited to.

it was originally intended to replace the royal tournament, as the uk's prime forces recruitment gala.

as one of the civilian trade stands it was shocking to find out that in the main marquee military bigwigs and arms companies were haggling over the price of hand grenades.

if not then apologies,

you lot have me feeling paranoid :D
 
 
ghostriderSat Oct 14
 
Your raking in the points here, Andy.
 
 
andrew748Sat Oct 14
 
i just read it back and i do sound like a prick

let the flaming commence

 
 
dragonstaffSat Oct 14
 
I was also wondering just what the fuck those guys were doing to let the enemy get close enough to lob a grenade through the door. No wonder US casualties are so high. ( Not to take anything away from this guys actions to save his comrades, but he should not have had to do it in the first place).
 
 
ghostriderSat Oct 14
 
Let the enemy get so close ?

These dudes are in a place that's all enemy everywhere.
Welcome to urban warefare, gentlemen.
 
 
azron123Sat Oct 14
 
Ghost, I can personally guarantee that human beings have no instinct to jump on hand grenades.
 
 
IMBOLCPunxsutawneyPhilSat Oct 14
 
Good thing the politicos are bombing them irakis into democracy!

Poor fucker didn't have to to do this, there was no north korean enemy there--to be honest it's a waste of a brave soldier sacrificing everything for a fucked up cause.

politics kills.
 
 
ghostriderSat Oct 14
 

Ghost, I can personally guarantee that human beings have no instinct to jump on hand grenades.


Sorry Azron, with all due respect, I have to disagree. I stepped between a toddler and a grizzly bear once in Alaska while fishing on the Kenai river. Instict can be a motherfucker for some folks.
 
 
vasudevaSat Oct 14
 
That seems kind of rude. What, you can't get your own goddamn toddler?
 
 
ghostriderSat Oct 14
 
They are few and far between. damned If I was gonna let Ben get all the action.
 
 
azron123Sat Oct 14
 
Crossed communication.

I meant that people don't instinctivly jump on grenades. If we did they'd work a lot better than they do.

But I agree that there is something, an instinct if you like, that short circuits the fight or flight reflex and compels people to do insane things to save other peoples lives.

I don't think it in any way diminishes the altruism and heroism of the act.
 
 
wolferSat Oct 14
 
Does he go to hell for killing hiself?
 
 
wolferSat Oct 14
 
sorry himself?
 
 
SexNinjaSun Oct 15
 
Good question, fellow Christain and American. Of course he went to hell! The LORD is very specific about not killing oneself in the Bible.
 
 
JhulDinSun Oct 15
 
he just wanted to save his buddies..period..'No greater love...etc.........if there's a heaven he's royalty there
 
 


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