When are you people going to indict this criminal bastard ?

No.

Does anyone really care?

I somewhat care.

I vote Chauncy Gardener!

We are to busy worrying about the coffee bean shortage thats going to hit in 2007.

Oh, well the courts turned him down because it was WRONG! That gives him every right to bypass the law and violate the constitution, raping the American people and robbing them of their basic rights.

They impeached Nixon for less than this, but Bush shows no remorse or anything but arrogance. Where are our Siran Sirans, our Lee Harvey Oswalds, our John Wilkes Booths?

Won't someone think of the children?

Oh nevermind. It's OK. It was a limited program.

'In Crawford, Texas, where Bush is spending the holidays, his spokesman, Trent Duffy, defended what he called a 'limited program.'

'This is not about monitoring phone calls designed to arrange Little League practice or what to bring to a potluck dinner,' he told reporters. 'These are designed to monitor calls from very bad people to very bad people who have a history of blowing up commuter trains, weddings, and churches.'

So there are people with a 'history of blowing up' trains, weddings and churches running around inside the US? I'd think that the FISA court would approve a warrant for that lickety split, so why did they need to bypass FISA? And if they know about such very bad people, why have they just let them run around the country for the past 4 years?

'These are designed to monitor calls from very bad people to very bad people who have a history of blowing up commuter trains, weddings, and churches.'

So there are people with a 'history of blowing up' trains, weddings and churches running around inside the US?

ROFL, we all have 'histories'. Harmless in the future, though...

hey mr. goat take care not to alert the police control structures about wanting to see an assassin--any political leader so secretive, so isolated and frankly, neolithic--will likely ship you off to an undisclosed center for interrogation.

enjoy poland, goat.

doesn't this make you wonder where we are headed given the ever developing technological means of surveillance?

Is anyone actually worried that they will get busted for something because of this? You think they have the resources to monitor/check ever call they record? Unless you mention the word bomb about 500 times in a phone call or your Arab, I doubt they care.

'You think they have the resources to monitor/check ever call they record?'

i doubt we're too far off from that particular possibility. You appear to be operating under the assumption that the inital data cuts must be made by humans.

Its amusing to think that everyone who has broadband or has a cellphone is paying to put in place a network of data collection.

“In any case, being informed about computers won’t enable anyone to prevent invasion of privacy (through computers)…”

“Technology advances with great rapidity and threatens freedom at many different points at the same time (crowding, rules and regulations, increasing dependence of individuals on large organizations, propaganda and other psychological techniques, genetic engineering, invasion of privacy through surveillance devices and computers, etc.)…”

'These are designed to monitor calls from very bad people to very bad people who have a history of blowing up commuter trains, weddings, and churches.'

So there are people with a 'history of blowing up' trains, weddings and churches running around inside the US?'



There certainly are. They are called 'The George W Bush Administration' and could be considered the deadliest terror cell the world has ever seen.

You appear to be operating under the assumption that the inital data cuts must be made by humans.
Am I? Your call may be recorded, but there isn't any chance that it'll be flagged for anything 'Unless you mention the word bomb about 500 times in a phone call or your Arab'.

Thanks for the nitpick. I'll remember the correct usage next time I have to save the world.

Regarding the NSA's ability, I have two words-'persistant cookies'.

mofo-i thinbk you missed my initial point, to wit, that we are busily installing an infrastructure that lends itself to the exact type of abuse we are seeing our government commit on American citizens. Today it is terrorists being monitored (the term 'terrorist' having been expanded to include groups like greenpeace, apparantly). What OTHER legal conversation is being monitored that we haven't heqard about yet? Who will it be tomorrow? I think we're headed down a very slippery slope in the name of 'security.'

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face, it’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”

As Barney Fife would say, nip it. nip it in the bud.

Sorry, things like that stick in my craw.

you rike craw?

no, he don't, he like's, something like you're craw.


That oughtta have enough for some mudbug stew, I reckon.

Thanks for the nitpick. I'll remember the correct usage next time I have to save the world.

Thats funny, I thought you were using the correct usage...
Doesn't everyone own an arab?

* Advocating language nazis since 1974.

Today it is terrorists being monitored (the term 'terrorist' having been expanded to include groups like greenpeace, apparantly). What OTHER legal conversation is being monitored that we haven't heqard about yet? Who will it be tomorrow? I think we're headed down a very slippery slope in the name of 'security.'

Its still hard for me to care. The legal system still exists, and, judging by the article, is in sound mind, so unless you're actually doing anything illegal, you don't have to worry.

i'm sure a 'legal system' still existed for those that stalin murdered as well.

unless you're actually doing anything illegal, you don't have to worry

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Benjamin Fucking Franklin

(if eternal vigilance is the price of liberty you pretty much failed)

hmm.. I swear I heard comments around this before.. a discussion of a police state perhaps.

one with secret laws and such...

mundhra... You left out the part of the quote about losing both.

Of course, ny favorite Benjamin Fucking Franklin quote is:

“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”

My favorite Franklin quote is:

'If the wind would just catch this kite...
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ZZZZZZZTTT
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fuck me.'

MUMBLE MUMBLE Goddamn Liberal Media! MUMBLE MUMBLE...