Having the ability to protest war and other adverse actions of this country is WHAT MAKES IT STRONG! IT IS DEMOCRACY! You know, that thing we're trying to inflict on other places like Iraq with bullets & bombs.

listen to you. american idealist. HA!
think about how much less of a threat china or north korea would be if they allowed the kind of dissent we permit. OF COURSE it weakens us....

don't get me wrong, I hate the texas oil tycoon as much as the next guy but that's not really what he said. he said that pulling our troops out of iraq immediately would weaken the US. And he's absolutely correct. If we don't win we lose.

The Cindy-Factor...
tipping point?

I thought democracy was the right to vote on shit, not the right to stand outside Walmart / Private homes with big picket signs? There is a point where protests become pointless and annoying.

Now, the Whiskey Rebellion, THAT was a protest.

What's funnay is that Bushy can take time off from his vacation to travel around and spout war propaganda, but he can't take 20 minutes to sit with the mother of a kid he sent to die, listen to her greivences, humbly apologize for her loss, explain his views, and put a close to this entire issue.

It's easier for him to spew garbage like:' We must honor the dead by not pulling out.'

Which translates to: 'I sent a lot of boys to die for several lies and I ain't done lying. Line up suckers!'

I've never hoped to sit in front of a CNN broadcast about a US president dying by choking on a pretzel so bad in my life.

uart, freedom of speech and expression is an integral part of a democratic system. Take away a persons right to protest a government they disagree with and you might as well live in China.

...and yes, the whiskey rebellion gets a w00t!

[flatulence]'What's funnay is that Bushy can take time off from his vacation to travel around and spout war propaganda, but he can't take 20 minutes to sit with the mother of a kid he sent to die, listen to her greivences, humbly apologize for her loss, explain his views, and put a close to this entire issue.'[/flatulence]

a) Freedom of speech does not embue the speaker with coercive powers to force others to listen.

b) Her heartfelt (yet ultimately stupid) message has been broadcast loud and clear.

c) I wouldn't want to talk to her because I am sensibe and she is not.

d) Sensible people will avoid punching her face by avoiding her presence.

I don't entirely agree with everything that Cindy Sheehan has to say but but I think in her case what she is doing is far more important than what she has to say.

Two and a half years ago almost the entire country gobbled up government lies as if they were a free surf and turf dinner. Now, we know that we were lied to but most of us don't want to admit it. Nobody ever wants to be the first one to say that the emperor is walking down the street naked.

From our first day in kindergarten to our last day of college we're taught that bad things happen to trouble makers. And the easiest way to get labeled a trouble maker is to ask 'WHY?'.

Sheehan is asking that question for all of us guttless pussies who are afraid to. And she's doing it in a way that the governments media lap dogs can't ignore.

I think she's naieve if she thinks that she'll ever get an answer but it's about fucking time that someone asked the fucking question.

Agreed LOki, but as fucked up as she seems to be... is she not simply using her free pass to the press to spur on her political view?

...and Bush, with his uber rich ass, finds it easier to pay for even more war propaganda than calling her on it?

I saw at least ten pro-war headlines today.

yeah war.

kill kill kill. yeah.

Namby pamby's just wanna fight. You have to remember that it is always the MESSENGER not the MESSAGE--big difference here folks. Remember that Cindy Shehan is a TOOL. A Traitorous spy, lesbian, pagan witch. Child molester and SATAN incarnate--she just wants to make the Devil's World appear. She must be stopped... [remember it's not the MESSAGE].

Loki, I think it might work, at least that's what the drug-abuser Rush Limbaugh says, his side is the one to be on.

But I am kidding and being sarcastic [no really!]...

You don't always stay the course--especially if you are on the wrong course.

Blame Bush Jr's Regan-era advisors and PNAC global-domination Vision, he's got the fundies and if you can get priest cock-sucking bitches to follow you, then why does any 'authority by actually being fucking right' have to matter?

Let's run through a checklist! It will be fun! Afterwards we can draw pictures...

Going in was a mistake. Check.
Being asswhipes and blinded by Hubris [queue 'we have the best fighting force in the world and they can all suck our big 'merican coks!]. Check, Check.
Destabilizing the region. Check.
Ignoring the fact that Osama is north of Pakistan--and instead going after 'that man tried to kill my daddy!'. Check.
Not wanting to admit defeat in urban Guerilla warfare by people we trained to fight us at our various paramilitary training centers because our policy of 'our enemie's enemy, is our ally'--Check!

OK, those who realize 59% of the sheep have started to wake up slowly from the spell cast by the war profiteers, Oil companies and other control structures might just do something about it... That's if you have faith in this shitstain of a country full of hypocrites and fat bullies...

and now picture time!

MOAR pics

What weakens a country is when it`s leaders lie to the people who put their trust in them. We were lied to about the reasons for the war, we were told we were after one thing, in one country,bin Laden in Afghanistan, and then we were led to beleive Iraq had something to do with WTC, which it did`nt, but even that is still being played out as if Iraq did.
The hijackers were from Saudia Arabia, doh,, repeat after me,, the WTC hijackers were from Saudia Arabia. The Bush dynasty and the House of Saud have been friends for 100 years, and that includes the Bin Laden family.
All you war people need to stop, research a little history before you blindly advocate military aggression.
You were also lied to(and I`m directing this to all the blind patriots who don`t know the difference between patriotism to a country from allegiance to an occupying administration), lied to about how many troops it would take in this 'war'.
We sent 20,000 troops to LINKSWARM just for relief after Hurricane Andrew, and they wanted you to believe the 'War on Terror' would only need 100,00?
You been took, you been punked by the Bush Adminstration. Now the 'War on Terror' has been turned into a war on anyone who questions them, a war on being poor in America, and a war on being young in America.

Many of you young lads are much too young to recall the war protests of the Vietnam War! Now those were some shit hot mad as hell protesters. Obviously we do not want to see another Kent State, but more vocal protests in the media is exactly what is needed since people are too damn lazy to get off their asses and march they way they used to.

lokes: Her heartfelt (yet ultimately stupid) message
and
lokes: I wouldn't want to talk to her because I am sensibe and she is not.
and
Wotak: as fucked up as she seems to be

are the 2nd, 3rd and 4th times i've seen such sentiments expressed here, but i've yet to see an explanation. her deal sounds pretty simple to me: bush should explain the noble cause for which her kid died, and she's just waiting around for him to do it. holding bush's lying feet to the fire doesn't sound stupid or insensible or fuked up to me. all the vitriol really seems more directed at the crowd that's gathered around her yelling 'hey hey ho ho'. so why is cindy sheehan a crazed shrill lefty anti-war harpy that's weakening america? please do tell.

lokes: Her heartfelt (yet ultimately stupid) message
and
lokes: I wouldn't want to talk to her because I am sensibe and she is not.
and
Wotak: as fuc

WERDZ!

WER...

Loki, somehow you continue to rock.

Loki, somehow you continue to molest my dog when I'm not looking. Please stop. Explaining it to the kid is becoming a problem.

fix'd

I just want to know where I can get some of those badass Bullshit protectors ?

If you're from any where in the North East you can pretty much forget Bullshit protectors. They've been banned. I hear that the ATF is working on regulating them on a national basis

please do tell.

no? do you fuking pansies need to be taunted or something? let's have it! fuking internet tough guys.

never mind. pat boone has weighed in against cindy sheehan. i'm convinced.

Here's a big bowl of Soma capsules. Dig in until you're called for your patriot act act lobotomy.