Blah fucking blah blah. Shorten it asshole drip licker

Fucking righty propaganda....

'The central fact is that overwhelmingly suicide-terrorist attacks are not driven by religion as much as they are by a clear strategic objective: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from the territory that the terrorists view as their homeland. '

This assertion doesn't seem particularly right-wing to me. If anything its something I think a lefty would pull.

'In the case of the Persian Gulf, that means we should pursue a strategy that secures our interest in oil but does not encourage the rise of a new generation of suicide terrorists. '

More real politic and logical than anything else.

AcheronDCS shut up you nigger. Drink yer dad's man punch and go away..........................

Fucking righty propaganda....

Sunuva -- I need some sleep. I meant LEFT.

Is anyone suprised?

Fri Jul 29

'The central fact is that overwhelmingly suicide-terrorist attacks are not driven by religion as much as they are by a clear strategic objective: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from the territory that the terrorists view as their homeland. '

This assertion doesn't seem particularly right-wing to me. If anything its something I think a lefty would pull.

'In the case of the Persian Gulf, that means we should pursue a strategy that secures our interest in oil but does not encourage the rise of a new generation of suicide terrorists. '

More real politic and logical than anything else.



Thank god for a real posting with some level of maturity and thought, yuze ok.
Go acheron !

HAH left, right... go buy a real butt plug, and get your head out of your ass .

Source: http://amconmag.com/2005_07_18/article.html

And if you are still mouthing the words, the fucking title of the magazine is AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE

The guy asking the questions:
Scott McConnell founded The American Conservative with Pat Buchanan and Taki Theodoracopulos in 2002.

Oh, and slap this on your hairy ass too, you son of a yak

'Rather than criticize the chatter about 'withdrawal' consider this; the US economy is currently underwritten by $8 trillion of debt. If that debt is not sustained by foreign investors through continued use of American greenbacks the entire economic system would collapse. It is as simple as that. The world will not continue 'mopping up our red ink' (Paul Craig Roberts) if it is not backed up by access to the world's dwindling oil reserves. This is why we will not leave Iraq and why there has been absolute uniformity among the establishment media in maintaining their support for the most unpopular, immoral and cowardly war in American history. '
-same site as link.

go find it you yabos.

[being mature and all that, aight?]

Phils Link is intersting, but please, whats your point? Neither site is pro or anti war implicitly, just ranting to me.

I voted this link down but it snuk by. FUKKK
ITs a fucking no brainer. WHo doesn't already know this. THey no likey us (americans and especially Jews) so they bomb shit till we leave. But we won't leave cause Bush needs money for his oil friends.

END OF THREAD

I guess that's the points--no sides per se, just some talk about the situation and why we are there and how that will likely play out given the pragmatic macroeconomic and geopolitical forces at play.

A recurring theme is present however over a survey of 4-6 articles the theme is played out by the divergent comentaries:

PNAC in 1996 created the position paper for invading Iraq and sent it to mr cheny and co. At about the same time some CIA-trained arab startined fomenting rebellion about 10 000 foriegn troops in the 'holy land' and how Iraq was to be invaded and seized for its oil--I think somebody read the playbook and decided to get away with setting some offsides [soccer footbal analogy]--let's just say that everything the US has done is in a predictable and unflinchingly brazen manner; and that's because the stakes really are that high.
Additionally, since the stakes are really that high, what is unthinkable in terms of Public Relations/Spin/Propaganda/Marketing/Selling of the or for the 'WAR' can even include actors, lies, staged murders and assasinations, and various bits of chicanery and subterfuge more the hallmarks of cheap third-world tin horn dicatators; but then again they do get their training from us.

Notice no condemnation or praise for the ideals or motivations--simply put the people doing the fighting on either side of this conflict have been co-opted and duped by the power structures at play. Either as terror agents willing to do anything to convince a occuyping democracy to withdraw or as soldiers trying to secure oil fields for the top percentage of the disproportionately wealthy population.

All sides in this conflict are contractors on the death star.

Oil versus sovereignty, cool angle

in the end, someone makes abuck

cruel world

Fucking IE, sorry, refresh caused a problem yet fucking again

I was trying to keep up with the multiple posting angle on this thread, kinda like a pentameter or something funkay like that y0

yeh and bill fucking gates is no help at all, my apologies. Your insight is appreciated though.

peace

The American Economy is so fucked up that you can comb the dictionary for big words but all that remains is jews still own the jewelry stores and you are a nigger

And that matters how?

I bet you are a young'un
You gotta lot of life ahead of you
Don't be so bitter

MCGARPAT: Your retardation=FIXT. Switch to Firefox already for fuks sake. I believe it was Einstein who said that insanity was '...doing the same thing, over and over again, and expecting a different result.'

Muslims have been angry, asskicking motherfukers for over a thousand years. When they don't have outsiders to fight, the busy themselves with infighting. We are largely irrelevant in this equation.

You are so fucking right

I am downloading now ....IE Blows, and I am fucking tired of it
Time to change, thanks for the clicky

back on fire fox

Praise the Precious Little Baby Jesus

Even in the worst of times someone makes a profit.

[quote]IMBOLCPunxsutawneyPhil:The guy asking the questions:
Scott McConnell founded The American Conservative with Pat Buchanan and Taki Theodoracopulos in 2002.[/quote]

Taki Theodoracopulos ??
sounds like a new dinosaur, i guess there are some similarities.
After some research, i have found that he has dealed with cocaine and the name of his childhood memories is 'Sir Taki' (ok, one point to him for humor).
I imagine thousands of journalists, on cocaine, gathering some informations here and there, building up their ow paranoid world and writing articles for the tv or magazines...
I wouldnt be suprised....

'The central fact is that overwhelmingly suicide-terrorist attacks are not driven by religion as much as they are by a clear strategic objective: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from the territory that the terrorists view as their homeland.'

No, really? Do you mean they just want to defend their Land?
And fucking left-wing cnn claims that is only a religious war?
Thats horrble.

Anyway, thats exactly was Bin Ladin has written in some emails i found on the internet (very interesting article, was for the times i think, now down, but i saved a copy) that their goal is to awake the lazy, dumb people(consumers and workers, not the voters, voters dont change anything) in the western world and stop the shit their governments and their cooperations do. 'Holy war', uhm?, which war is holy?

The thing with with the more terror attacks is simple:
if you want to get your honey from a beehive, the more aggressive you get, the more stabs you have.
Maybe you hit the comb of one bee which would like to attack you at first, but common: iam sure, if somebody destroys your comb, you would attack him.

You lost me at the bee thing.

Clavis - I tired firefox but it seemed sluggish. Any help. PM me.

Neverwind, the bee thing was only secondary.

Uhh yes, the magazine is 'American Conservative'. The service the link is posted by is Information Clearinghouse, which is hardcore anti-war liberal online newsite I subscribe to. So obviously, the appeal of this article crosses both sides of the spectrum.

'And if you are still mouthing the words, the fucking title of the magazine is AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE

The guy asking the questions:
Scott McConnell founded The American Conservative with Pat Buchanan and Taki Theodoracopulos in 2002.'

Yeah I'm well aware of that. Noam Chomsky ends up on CNN from time to time, doesn't mean he's a bullshit centrist. The content of the article is just a pragmatic way to avoid suicide-terrorism. He's definitely not following the Repub party line because you know he'd avoid mentioning 'Before our invasion, Iraq never had a suicide-terrorist attack in its history. Never' and that line of thought.

''In the case of the Persian Gulf, that means we should pursue a strategy that secures our interest in oil but does not encourage the rise of a new generation of suicide terrorists. '

Straight down the middle pragmatic foreign policy, real politic. This guy is in full support of all the neocon games we are playing but he doesn't want american troops in the front lines.

'Oh, and slap this on your hairy ass too, you son of a yak....same site as link. '

I really don't know what you're attempting to argue. I'm sure that came from ICH, and not the TAC-if the opposite is true I'll be suprised. I've been harping about PNAC longer than anyone else on this site.

'All sides in this conflict are contractors on the death star.'

I suppose so, but Star Wars references doesn't lend yourself credibility.

Silly doom character, always thinking people are scheming and such.

I don't want any of your shit-stained credilbility. I was merely addressing the slack-jawed yokel who tried to dismiss it as 'liberal propaganda' and as such it has nothing to do with anything. . .

As for being the first on PNAC, I don't care what claims to fame you aspire to, but if it makes you happy, fart for joy!

I think you have an anal fixation, ass-delver.