Yea theres a good idea. Maybe the next warped bitch teacher suckin off a kid can just storm the hallways spraying lead. While we are at it, lets give the postal workers guns...

Great idea, so when teachers snap, they can go on shooting rampages too. We had better give all the students guns too in case of a teacher shooting rampage. In fact, just make it mandatory that everyone in or on school grounds must be packing heat.

YES!!! This adds an extra option to ways of dealing with tardy students!

Perfect, Now some schmuck teacher can pick up his/her gun and fire on the perpatraters, miss there target and kill more kids. Therefore upping this kids kill count.

teachers should have .50 cal blackpowder rifles.

it just started hailing....

I'm proud of the way you guys picked this one up, ran it into reductio ab absurdum, and then hopped on the Columbines-are-better-than-this-idea wagon. Honk if you're a liberal activist commie.

And by proud, I mean saddened.

*HONK* *HONK*

I'm a liberal, I guess. I have leftist tendencies. I don't know the law when it comes to guns, but it is clear from my observations that it is not difficult to get ahold of a gun.

Ok, so are more stringent gun control laws going to control a kid in school's ability to get a firearm? I don't think so, there are so many guns in circulation now, and I'm pretty sure this little fucko didn't go to kmart and buy the thing (although I don't know that)

This begs the question - so how to prevent this kind of thing?

I really don't think that it forms a benevolent imprssion in the classroom atmosphere to have the student know that the teacher has a FUCKING WEAPON!!!!!!!! This is someone that they are there to connect with, ideally. Or at least not have the spectre of possible physical violence as their ultimate restraint. I mean, jesus.

I have been in a few violent situations in my experience and, as you know, it's fuckin chaotic. I don't see how giving a mandate for a teacher to add a firearm to a chaotic situation could be beneficial. I dunno, just doesn't seem like a safe bet to me, regardless if some teacher successfully defended a class once. Yeah, he had skill, yeah, he got lucky. The chaos favored him. What if it hadn't. Shit.

This is a totally insane proposition put forth by the unfortunately visible and vocal NRA fringe (I hope). Its a cowboy reaction, it seems. Here in Florida, I routinely see NRA stickers almost invariably displayed next to Bush/ Cheney stickers. I just don't seem to get along with that whole character package and its tacky scramble for simple idiot power.

It's a moron's fix for a complex social problem.

I for one, would like to see all guns have huge unweildly locks. Bullets, as well, would have locks. Then we'd put a safety on the safety and make sure that was secured by a lock. You know. So no one would get hurt.

*HONK*

I tend to be progressive/left leaning on most things, yet I think gun control is retarded. Does that make me a liberal neocon? However, arming teachers is an unbelievably bad idea. Chronos explained that fairly well.

I don't think he did. He did reference it as one, though.

If (and only if) the proper training is given to them, they should be able to carry whatever they damn well please. Of course, some teachers are dumber than the idiots they teach. Hopefully those types would kill themselves by accident with their new guns.

That being said, I can't help but like this statement:

'It's a moron's fix for a complex social problem.'

REALLY like it. Like, like it enough to finger it sometime.

All people should have access to any gun all the time. This is America damnit.

...body armor, math is cool in body armour.

I want a gun in my classroom. Then I wouldn't have to depend upon my oratorical skills and mastery of subject matter to make my students pay attention. Why? Because guns create INSTANT AUTHORITY! So, if EVERYONE has guns, everyone will have EQUAL ACCESS to instant authority! And if everyone has the same authority, then we will ALL BE EQUAL, creating the perfect communist society envisioned by Marx himself!

Thus, it is my theory that the NRA is secretly a Marxist organization devoted to the take over our God fearing country to turn it into a SOVIET STATE led by bunch of PINKO FAGGOT PERVERT GUN-TOTING JACK-BOOTED THUGS! HA! WINNAR! XX

HA!

i agree with bill hicks. bullets should cost $1000.00 each.

Teachers couldn't be prepared for the situations they might need to use a gun, pilots yes, teachers mostly no way.

I've adopted something my Dad's said for years, ' If everybody carried a gun there would be a lot less crime overall. After the initial idiot die-off, people would respect the fact that everyone could a probably would have a gun and be prepared to use it. My 89 year old grandmother carries a 22 in her purse and she can still shoot a squirrel's eye out @ 50'.

Somebody get some help for the sick fuckig kids in this country. Not having any , I believe I'm part of the solution.

Case its the american way

dagwood: Teachers couldn't be prepared for the situations they might need to use a gun, pilots yes, teachers mostly no way.

That's probably a really good point.

However, we do give citizens a little training and then certify them to own pistols, even carry them in public in a lot of states. I don't have any data on it, but it seems like I don't hear about an armed citizen pulling a gun trying to be a hero and making the situation worse as much as I hear about that one lone cowboy type who happens to be armed and at least pins down the masked robber until the police arrive. That may be subjective though.

So I'd imagine if it were agreed to arm teachers, they'd go through some hopefully rigorous MOUT-style training regimen first, as opposed to just dropping off a handgun with the morning mail.

How about if it were a taser that was issued to all able-bodied teachers, and not a loaded firearm?

I think we should take all the guns in the world, and melt them into jewelry!
JEWELRY THAT SHOOTS BEAMS OF LOVE.

Both that and giving teachers guns are horrible ideas.

VAS-
How about if it were a taser that was issued to all able-bodied teachers, and not a loaded firearm?

Now that's the best idea I've heard yet, just SOmEthing to diffuse a situation. Imagine the cops walking in on a scene where everybody is packing and wavin.

Chronos- I really don't think that it forms a benevolent imprssion in the classroom atmosphere to have the student know that the teacher has a FUCKING WEAPON!!!!!!!!

I don't think maintining a happy, healthy, benevolent environment is a priority when you got some fucktard brandishing multiple weapons. In the interest of making it SAFE. I think the best offense is a good defense. If the security guard were armed, he'd have thought twice before proceeding with his EVIL plan. If the teacher had some means of stopping or resisting him , he'd have thought again. AND, if the grandparents locked up their guns, he' d have had to think again.

I mean damn!! can't we just get everybody home safely tonight? Life is tough enough. But when life gets tough , you gotta get tougher. Hell, I don't know. Would somebody PLEASE get some help for the sick fucking disenfranchised kids in this country. The twerps have issues I'm sure, they need to be shown some options, outlets or solutions for their angst.

vasudeva: 'I don't have any data on it...'

Well, it's just a bunch of anecdotal bullshit then. You get an F!!! Do your research. Don't like it? Then look into the dark end of my 9mm.

...NRA? commies, I tell ya, just a bunch of pinko asshats...

The murder rate has been steadily declining since the 1970s. What you're all worrying about is a few mass shootings, instead of like 100 knifings that might have taken place in past years. Giving a teacher a taser is even less of a good idea than a gun, which isn't a good idea. A gun can kill another with a gun, a taser won't incapacitate someone with a gun because they can shoot you. A taser would only be good in cases where a student flips a shit without a weapon, in which case students/the teacher/security can physically restrain that person. There is no reason to give teachers guns because there are many, many, many more dangerous jobs and no one is suggesting that all bank tellers carry guns. What the NRA is doing is distracting people from the fact that most of these shootings were done with guns that the kids either bought at shows or stole from family members. I'm not suggesting that we lock up all guns in safes or that all gun shows be shut down; rather, I am suggesting that people should be taught proper respect for guns. I get the feeling that if guns were approached as LIGHTNING STICKS FILLED WITH DEATH PELLETS instead of something you can dick around with outside the house and which also makes problems and bad people go away, then kids wouldn't be such fuck bags.

Also, from a developmental standpoint, kids below the age of 12 (developmentally speaking, not just physical age) do not have a realistic comprehension of death . They just can't understand the permanence and irreversability of it. Therefore, no one should let kids under 12 dick around with anything deadly, in my opinion. (well shit, we have a license for driving which you can only get at 16, right??)

Let's see..
Survielience Systems--Check
Barbed wire--Check
Attack Dogs--Check
Metal Detectors==check!
No Privacy--Check!
Armed Guards--Not yet, but we're working on it...

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Only when we are able to allow our childrens to spend 12 years in a PRISON ENVIRONMENT will they be properly socialized for the police state that we all envision!

The dehumanization of the adolescent is paramount to our plans in order to allow an effective police state. Only Force Majure can be the authority--Might Makes Right!

Remember folks, it's for the childrens.

Wolfer - 'Maybe the next warped bitch teacher suckin off a kid can just storm the hallways spraying lead.'

LOki - Dumb.

jefferson - 'Great idea, so when teachers snap, they can go on shooting rampages too. We had better give all the students guns too in case of a teacher shooting rampage.'

LOki - Stupid.

Crackalakin - 'YES!!! This adds an extra option to ways of dealing with tardy students!

LOki - But, I don't feel tardy.

Acidburn - 'Perfect, Now some schmuck teacher can pick up his/her gun and fire on the perpatraters, miss there target and kill more kids. Therefore upping this kids kill count.'

LOki - Retarded.

chronos - 'I don't know the law when it comes to guns, but it is clear from my observations that it is not difficult to get ahold of a gun.'

LOki - If you are talking about long arms, then ok. But if you are speaking of handguns, you need to try to get one legally. In NY at least, it is no cake walk.

chronos - 'I really don't think that it forms a benevolent imprssion in the classroom atmosphere to have the student know that the teacher has a FUCKING WEAPON!!!!!!!!'

LOki - Then don't tell the students. Keep them guessing.

chronos - 'I don't see how giving a mandate for a teacher to add a firearm to a chaotic situation could be beneficial.'

From above linked article -
'All options should be considered to prevent rampages like the Minnesota school shooting that took 10 lives — including making guns available to teachers, a top National Rifle Association leader said Friday.'

I don't see how talking out of your ass, and attempting this strawman rebuttal can lead anyone to conclude you have a credible point.

chronos - 'It's a moron's fix for a complex social problem.'

LOki - A social problem complex only for morons.

AcheronDCS - 'I for one, would like to see all guns have huge unweildly locks. Bullets, as well, would have locks. Then we'd put a safety on the safety and make sure that was secured by a lock. You know. So no one would get hurt.'

LOki - Nonsense.

SexNinjaMcDeath - 'If (and only if) the proper training is given to them, they should be able to carry whatever they damn well please.'

LOki - Sense.

madturk - 'So, if EVERYONE has guns, everyone will have EQUAL ACCESS to instant authority! And if everyone has the same authority, then we will ALL BE EQUAL, creating the perfect communist society envisioned by Marx himself!'

LOki - Nice slacks!

dagwood's dad - 'If everybody carried a gun there would be a lot less crime overall. After the initial idiot die-off, people would respect the fact that everyone could a probably would have a gun and be prepared to use it.'

LOki - More sense.

vasudeva - 'I don't have any data on it, but it seems like I don't hear about an armed citizen pulling a gun trying to be a hero and making the situation worse as much as I hear about that one lone cowboy type who happens to be armed and at least pins down the masked robber until the police arrive.'

LOki - As it turns out, there is actually some pretty good research out there that documents the press' refusal to print such stories. In fact, if such an incident does get press attention, they have been known to consider the rescuer's gun use to be 'irrelevant' to the story.

madturk - '...NRA? commies, I tell ya, just a bunch of pinko asshats...'

LOki - Is that a worsted blend?

nocal - 'Giving a teacher a taser is even less of a good idea than a gun, which isn't a good idea.'

LOki - True.

nocal - 'A gun can kill another with a gun, a taser won't incapacitate someone with a gun because they can shoot you.'

LOki - Not true.

nocal - 'I'm not suggesting that we lock up all guns in safes or that all gun shows be shut down; rather, I am suggesting that people should be taught proper respect for guns.'

LOki - Excellent suggestion.

I've always found it interesting that public schools provide free instruction to students on how to effectively exercise their first amendment rights. I applaud this.

They also provide free instruction on how other various rights work, including things like your consitutional right to a trial by jury, the right to vote, your right to security, etc. I appluad this too.

Then they provide, free of charge (and in the interest of public safety) driver education. I applaud this also, despite the fact that driving is not a consitutionally protected right.

Yet, firearm safety does not get mentioned--ever. Instead, we get a 'No Firearm Zone' at school. We get a 'let's be careless, ingnorant, and incompetent with firearms zone' everywhere else.

You would think that in the interest of maintaining and strengthening our consitutional right to keep and bear arms, and public safety, that every public school would have a thorough, and mandatory, firearms safety curriculum.

Sensible as that might be, what are the chances it might happen?

What are the real objectives of the people who would oppose such education?

If you don't like the answers to those questions, let me tell you that you have no one to blame but yourself unless you restist gun control legislation at every turn.