once again. i hate you

Once again, awesome.

Finally.

bobberdong -- thank you.

I'll pick this article apart, strand by strand, again by comparing against Mr. Muff.

(Kerry) 1. Does he work well with others?
(Bush) 1. Is he capable of doing any work whatsoever? [Hellooo, Texas ranch!]

(Kerry) 2. No visible political courage: [I guess running for fuking president of the USA against the Evil Armada does not count. Or are you FUCKING BLIND?]
(Bush) 2. 'Political courage' is a facade without any backing by real honor. Two-faced: appear patriotic and visionary, but engage in selfish and stupid policymaking.

(Kerry) 3. Yep. No vision.
(Bush) 3. Evil vision.
[I'll take a man who can change his opinion after some thought over a man who makes stupid decisions and then sticks to it]

(Kerry) 4. No fallback salesmanship.
(Bush) 4. Gets mainstream voters ONLY by FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt). [Ask anyone what Bush is good for, and they will say national security. ? What good has he done that is _so_ outstanding, that any average half-brain Joe would not have done in the same situations? Instead, he alienated and mocked the UN, lied terrible lies that killed 1000 soldiers, destabilized the Middle East, fucking torpedoed the economy, raised the national debt to astronomical levels, gave tax breaks to his rich fatass millionaire buddies at the expense of social programs, and spent his whole life doing jackshit, knowing jackshit,
and throwing apeshit at anyone who disagrees!]

Any questions?

yeah, who does your hair?

yeah, where are the pictures of your 'girlfriend'?

HAHAHA! Crackalackin, you're just like every other John Kerry-is-Our-Savior(TM) robot.

[JKOS Robot] leedle leedle! Tax cut for the rich! leedle leedle!

No. Not really. The tax cut was for everybody. The cut was progressive along the same lines as the tax rate.

[JKOS Robot] leedle leedle! Bush Sux! leedle leedle! Can't be true! leedle leedle! Kerry is Our Savior(TM)! leedle leedle!

[JKOS Robot] leedle leedle! Economy sux! leedle leedle!

No. Not really. The economy now is in about the same condition it was in 1996 -- when Bill Clinton was re-elected primarily due to the growing economy.

[JKOS Robot] leedle leedle! Bush Sux! leedle leedle! Can't be true! leedle leedle! Kerry is Our Savior(TM)! leedle leedle!

[JKOS Robot] leedle leedle! Made the UN feel bad! leedle leedle!

The UN is an ineffective organization whose membership consists primarily of Dictatorships, Terrorist States, and the appeasers of Dictarorships and Terrorist States. As a leader for freedom, the US has an obligation to it's own citizenry to break away from the UN to secure it's own security interests when the UN refuses to meet its own obligations.

[JKOS Robot] leedle leedle! Bush Sux! leedle leedle! Can't be true! leedle leedle! Kerry is Our Savior(TM)! leedle leedle!

[JKOS Robot] Bush Sux! leedle leedle! Kerry is Our Savior(TM)! leedle leedle!

[JKOS Robot] Bush Sux! leedle leedle! Kerry is Our Savior(TM)! leedle leedle!

[JKOS Robot] Bush Sux! leedle leedle! Kerry is Our Savior(TM)! leedle leedle!

[JKOS Robot] Bush Sux! leedle leedle! Kerry is Our Savior(TM)! leedle leedle!

ad nausiem ....

Let's have it. What specificly does Kerry propse to do that is so much better than Bush? ANYTHING?

the best I've heard is that he'll do exactly the same shit, only smarter and better.

Smarter and better PATRIOT ACT for instance? Is this what you're planning to vote FOR?

All of you who are considering voting for Kerry just because you have bought fully into EVERYTHINGBUSHSUX should consider the lessons of history where everyone was convinced that ANYBODY would be better than the current guy, and everyone voted for the guy whose only solid claim was that he wasn't that other guy, and made vague promises about his better ideas.

Think about Bonaparte, or Stalin, or Mussolini, or Pol-Pot, or Mao, or Hitler, or Castro, or Hussein ...

Or when Iron Maiden replaced Bruce Dickinson with... some other dude. Feh.

LOki, enjoying a front-row seat to your evolving political dialogue as I do, I thought it might interest you to point out that, lately, you've gone meta. You're don't argue for the BUSHSUX party or the KERRYSUX party but for the THEBUSHSUXPARTYSUX party.

I'm sitting here typing this and just realizing I've probably missed the fuking gun show. It was yesterday, wasn't it? Expect a call, you silly bitch.

No. I am not a JKOS robot. In fact, if you bother to read what I wrote instead of absent-mindedly writing me off you will see the following.

Nowhere do I suggest that JK is our savior.

On the other hand, I do think that Bush is our doom.

Quite frankly, I don't care _what_ specifically Kerry will do. I do know it will be a better idea than anything Bush and Co come up with, given their history of policymaking.

That's what I am planning to vote FOR. A handful of neurons in the brain. Not too much to ask for from a president, is it?

How do I know Kerry will be better? I know it does not get worse.

Ok, now on to your aguments.

(a) Tax cut. You don't know shit, review the bill. Don't you fuking tell me that the tax cut was progressive, lest I throw percentages at you. Besides, it is imprudent for government to spend more money without taxing more -- otherwise, the nation ends up with an extra asshole ripped in its budget.

(b) UN. I was not claiming that UN was exemplary, but it certainly was a forum for settling things amicably, for mediation. By undermining UN, you demolish the trust in the forum. What's left? Suppose Turkey and Greece disagree about Cyprus and refuse to talk to each other directly. Who negotiates on their behalf? Who can claim independent point of view? Birdges will be burnt, and guns will speak.

Yes, UN never guaranteed results. But it always presented an option, an option that, in most cases, worked. And if majority of UN agreed upon something, you gotta figure that action is justified.

(c) Economy. Your point is bullshit. The economy was doing good at Bush's inauguration. We're in the slums now.
Simple math: the difference is negative, we're in the red.
Simple question: was anybody at the wheel while we were sliding? Any investigation about the reasons for economic downfall? Any attempts to halt inflation? Job leakage? Any legislation aimed specifically at causes of economic decline?
No, no, and no. Tax cuts don't even cut it.

(d) Specifics on what Kerry brings to the table. Brains. Rationality. Clue. Ability to (1) read the intelligence report in the morning; (2) understand what it contains; (3) remember it 5 minutes later. Acceptance of opposing opinions. Non-favoritism (did I mention that the director of the National Institute of Health is a mere M.D. who was once in charge of Reagan's colon cancer? WHUT???) Some relative improvement in the measure of decency (vs the Unholliburton).

And don't you throw Stalin at me. Trust me: I know a repressive government when I see one. And you, too, don't have to look further than PAT RIOT and your telly.

Check it out Cracka....

(a) Tax cuts: The top 50% of wage earners account for 85% of all income produced, and pay about 95% of all taxes taken by the government. Tell me where the inequity exists there? Certainly not for the bottom half. And as far as taxing more to spend more, how about cutting the corruption, graft, and waste out of the system instead? Or are you a Marxist?

(b) UN: Undermining the UN is no more damaging to its credibility than its own inaction and impotence. Your assertion that the UN is 'an option that, in most cases, worked' is laughable, at best. Name me one successful resolution to a major conflict that the has UN brokered? Then I'll list for you a dozen that the UN either failed to act upon, or their involvement in worsened the situation.

(c) Economy: I'll grant you that the national debt is out of control. But 'was anybody at the wheel while we were sliding?' Yes. Bill Clinton. Enron, WorldCOM, Tyco, etc, didn't just magically happen after Bush took office. That shit was YEARS in the making. And inflation? During the 90's, the average rate of inflation was 2.21%. During the current decade? 1.57%. That isn't the level at which I would expect alarms to be ringing. And job 'leakage'? Thank the Unions and consumers like me and you. The problem with American made goods is that they are expensive. The average hourly rate in this country is about $17.50. On the other hand, if no one is earning the $17.50 to buy those products, then there isn't much to argue. Again, not a problem unique to GWB's administration...this has been going ever since NAFTA.

(d) Specifics on what Kerry brings to the table: The whole paragraph is nothing but unqualified drivel. Your sub points are assumptions about hypothetical events. What Kerry would or wouldn't do in those situations is unknowable. But whatever he would or wouldn't do, I suspect he may change his mind after awhile. His acceptance of opposing opinions is due to the fact that the opposing opinion is usually his former position. And what difference does it make on which former President the current head of the NIH operated on? Halliburton? Just the republicans being less discrete in their execution of playing the game both they and the democrats play. Kind of a role reversal though, the republicans being less discrete than the dems, don't you think? :)

Don't cream me for being a Bushie...I'm not. But I can't jump on this 'ANYBODYBUTBUSH' bandwagon, either. I wish Kerry could be my saviour, but all I see of him tells me he's not. So what are we supposed to do? Who is John Galt?

Crakalakin, meet Clavis -- Clavis, Crackalakin.

I wish I had gotten back to Mr. Crackalakin earlier, but I was out being disappointed that my Democrat party run state made sure that i would not be able to enjoy my 2nd amendment rights despite said rights being returned to the rest of the free world on 9/13.

So, Crackalakin, as Clavis pointed out, the top 50% of earners pay the most in taxes -- the tax cut went mostly to those who paid the most. As it turn out Mr. Crackalakin, the tax cut actually was progressive -- just not in the direction of those who didn't pay in the first place.

As for the UN, the UN alienated the USA, not the other way around. THe UN's mediatory role is fine, but it's failure to meet it's own resolutions is not. The reign of Saddam Hussein was a threat to the whole world, and the UN was perfectly pleased to allow it to be so despite their 'resolutions' to the contrary. Nobody except for the USA was really capable of holding Hussein's feet to the fire if the UN refused to, and that's exactly the way it went.
Clavis is absolutely right when he says:

'Undermining the UN is no more damaging to its credibility than its own inaction and impotence.'

Crackalakin, your analysis of the economy is right out of the JKOS Robot owners manual. Analyze this from the BLS:

Manufacturing jobs created:
1996 - 25,000
2004 - 97,000

Workers not in the labor force, but who want a job now:
1996 - 5.78 million
2004 - 4.71 million

Unemployment rate:
1996 - 5.5%
2004 - 5.6%

Tax Freedom Day:
1996 - 4/25
2004 - 4/11

Total effective tax rate for federal, state and local governments:
1996 - 31.7%
2004 - 27.8%

Income growth (after taxes, infaltion adjusted, first term):
1996 - $1,256
2004 - $1,444

Average hourly earnings growth:
1996 - 0.4%
2004 - 2.5%

Average GDP:
1996 - 4.0%
2004 - 4.7%

Debt as percentage of GDP:
1996 - 48.5%
2004 - 37.5%

Average monthly infaltion (first term):
1996 - 2.8%
2004 - 2.3%

Average finacial aid per Student (2002 dollars):
1996 - $5,851
2004 - $9,099

Number of Americans without Health insurance:
1996 - 41.7 million or 15.6% of the population
2004 - 44.9 million or 15.6% of the population

Well, Crackalakin, I'm wondering where I've got my analysis wrong here. It all looks to be pretty much the same -- just like I said, and in direct contradiction to your JKOS Robot programming. It doesn't look to me as though my point about the economy is bullshit at all. Yours?

Finally, Clavis pinned you on the actual specifics you cited -- which were none. From now on, please, STFU with your BUSHSUXKERRYWILLSAVEUS programming -- I have heard it a thousand times, and I asked a thousand time 'how so?,' and a thousand time the response has been 'because Bush sucks.'

'Bush sucks' IS NOT an answer to the question 'How is Kerry any better?'

I want to know why Kerry is better. I want to know that he really will do a better job than Bush before I vote for him. I want to definitely know that he won't be worse than Bush, but all you fuking JKOS Robots can assure me is that he will be 'not Bush.'

Well, Kim Jong Il is 'not Bush,' Saddam Hussein is 'not Bush,' Charles Taylor is 'not Bush,' Fidel Castro is 'not Bush,' Than Shwe is 'not Bush,' Hu Jintao is 'not Bush,' and Robert Mugabe is 'not Bush,' either.

Kerry has a lot of company in those who are 'not Bush' but I'm definitely not willing to have any of them as President of the United States; but apparently, Mr. Crackalakin, you and the rest of your robot ilk would, based solely on the assertion that none of those fine specimens are Bush.

Oh. And BTW Crackalackin,

Kerry voted for the PATRIOT Act.

They don't tell you robots that.

pwnd

It's on, bitches :). I am short on time now, but tonight/tomorrow the conversation will pick up in the forums thread.

I'll be there.

Or not.

Crackalackin - 'It's on, bitches :). I am short on time now, but tonight/tomorrow the conversation will pick up in the forums thread.'

Ok. But when you do, make sure you reconcile this:

Crackalackin - 'I am not a JKOS robot.'

AND

Crackalackin - 'Quite frankly, I don't care _what_ specifically Kerry will do.'

Domo arigato, in advance, Mr. Roboto.

Yo!

What's holding you back?