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Rights and Liberties

Bush's Mysterious 'New Programs'

By Nat Parry, Consortium News. Posted February 23, 2006.


Is the Pentagon building U.S.-based prison camps for Muslim immigrants? Evidence points to the possibility.
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Not that George W. Bush needs much encouragement, but Sen. Lindsey Graham suggested to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales a new target for the administration's domestic operations -- Fifth Columnists, supposedly disloyal Americans who sympathize and collaborate with the enemy.

"The administration has not only the right, but the duty, in my opinion, to pursue Fifth Column movements," Graham, R-S.C., told Gonzales during Senate Judiciary Committee hearings on Feb. 6.

"I stand by this president's ability, inherent to being commander in chief, to find out about Fifth Column movements, and I don't think you need a warrant to do that," Graham added, volunteering to work with the administration to draft guidelines for how best to neutralize this alleged threat.

"Senator," a smiling Gonzales responded, "the president already said we'd be happy to listen to your ideas."

In less paranoid times, Graham's comments might be viewed by many Americans as a Republican trying to have it both ways -- ingratiating himself to an administration of his own party while seeking some credit from Washington centrists for suggesting Congress should have at least a tiny say in how Bush runs the War on Terror.

But recent developments suggest that the Bush administration may already be contemplating what to do with Americans who are deemed insufficiently loyal or who disseminate information that may be considered helpful to the enemy. Top U.S. officials have cited the need to challenge news that undercuts Bush's actions as a key front in defeating the terrorists, who are aided by "news informers," in the words of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Detention centers

Plus, there was that curious development in January when the Army Corps of Engineers awarded Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root a $385 million contract to construct detention centers somewhere in the United States, to deal with "an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs," KBR said.

Later, the New York Times reported that "KBR would build the centers for the Homeland Security Department for an unexpected influx of immigrants, to house people in the event of a natural disaster or for new programs that require additional detention space."

Like most news stories on the KBR contract, the Times focused on concerns about Halliburton's reputation for bilking U.S. taxpayers by overcharging for sub-par services. "It's hard to believe that the administration has decided to entrust Halliburton with even more taxpayer dollars," remarked Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif.

Less attention centered on the phrase "rapid development of new programs" and what kind of programs would require a major expansion of detention centers, each capable of holding 5,000 people. Jamie Zuieback, a spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, declined to elaborate on what these "new programs" might be.

Only a few independent journalists, such as Peter Dale Scott and Maureen Farrell, have pursued what the Bush administration might actually be thinking.

Scott speculated that the "detention centers could be used to detain American citizens if the Bush administration were to declare martial law." He recalled that during the Reagan administration, National Security Council aide Oliver North organized Rex-84 "readiness exercise," which contemplated the Federal Emergency Management Agency rounding up and detaining 400,000 "refugees," in the event of "uncontrolled population movements" over the Mexican border into the United States.

Farrell pointed out that because "another terror attack is all but certain, it seems far more likely that the centers would be used for post-911-type detentions of immigrants rather than a sudden deluge" of immigrants flooding across the border.


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Frightening
Posted by: Germanicus on Feb 23, 2006 2:22 AM   
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The Long War... Martial law... Detention without trial... Suppression of dissent... This piece does a nice job of bringing together a number of seemingly unrelated elements and building a bigger, more frightening picture.

I have been saying here and in my private communications that one of the most disturbing aspects of the current regime is that they act as if they will never be held to account, that there will never be a day of reckoning for all their misdeeds. As if the revolution upon which they have embarked will never be undone. Talk of impeachment or a change in control of either or both houses of Congrees does not seem to worry them. They just press ahead with their agenda apparently unconcerned with the political consequences. So much so that one has to wonder whether their plans preclude political consequences.

Does not this feel like a coup d'etat?

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Impeach the megalomaniacs
Posted by: waves999 on Feb 23, 2006 2:34 AM   
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Holy Shit!! This is SCARY stuff! Just how far are are Americans going to let these EVIL cowboys go?!... before you all are living in a military dictatorship where ANYONE - foreigner or citizen - can be locked for good up on a whim? Impeach the megalomaniacs before it is too late!!!!!

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» It is too late. Posted by: pball
Let's take stock...
Posted by: adp3d on Feb 23, 2006 3:21 AM   
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...this government can't control an area the size of California with a fraction of the population with 150,000 troops. What makes them think they can put down any type of armed insurrection in this country. What makes them think that American soldiers will co-operate? True, there would be those bone-headed citizens that would co-operate and collabrate, but I can see that day that the "G" tries to dismantle the National Rifle Association. It is not the liberals with the gun control laws that will take your guns my friends, it will be Blackwater. Bush and his gang are paranoid weenies who need to be arrested and tried as criminals and thugs.

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» RE: Let's take stock... Posted by: McLurker
» They will use foreign troops Posted by: Iconoclast421
» RE: They will use foreign troops Posted by: FreeThinker33
» RE: Let's take stock... Posted by: badkitty53
» RE: Let's take stock... Posted by: DanielT28
» RE: Let's take stock... Posted by: krose
» RE: Let's take stock... Posted by: DanielT28
Oh Boy, Camp!
Posted by: ehh1443 on Feb 23, 2006 4:30 AM   
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I hope they build them someplace warm, I don't like the cold. As to the feasibility of rounding us up and making it work... Don't underestimate the power of mass hysteria, produced and directed by PSYOPS. Like for instance, how upset are your neighbors about turning over the ports to the UAE?

The Arabs are coming, the Arabs are coming!

The apocalyptic feel to all of this is genuine in the sense that there is a cataclysmic event on the horizon. It will affect every aspect of our lives and it has the power to remove about 4 billion people from the planet. That event is Peak Oil. If you haven't looked into that yet you might want to spend some time reading about it.

Buy some gold. Learn how to make a fire without accelerants. Learn how to grow stuff to eat, how to get by without refrigeration or electricity. Learn how to purify water. Learn how to survive.

You can look at the world through the lens given to us by the Bush Administration and you will see radical Islam, or you can take the glasses off and look at the world with your own eyes. Listen with your own ears. What you'll see and hear is oil, oil, oil. The world is one massive oil fire as nation after nation postures to protect their hydrocarbon resources, or take someone elses. You can see it out your window as you glide down the road at 70mph.

These camps are meant to hold more than just us Muslims. These camps are for the hoards of urbanites who will begin to panic and run amok when the lights start going out, when the trucks stop bringing food to stores.

The population of the world is sustained by oil, and all that oil becomes. Without oil, the population is unsustainable. In short, many of us will die.

But it won't happen all of a sudden, it will be a slow spiral into chaos. The spiral has already started. Study this issue, study the signs.

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Camps are for the bankrupt
Posted by: Jasonix on Feb 23, 2006 5:33 AM   
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I think that some of the camps, at least, are going to be for bankrupt people. I've read that 75% of American households are on the brink financially, overloaded with debt that they can't hope to repay. There is going to be a tipping point where mass numbers of people get their credit shut off and their houses repossessed. What to do with the growing waves of homeless? Work camp, of course - not only do we provide housing for the dispossessed, but we punish the deadbeats for living such prolifigate lives on their measly $40K annual salary for a family of four. (Who do these people think they are, acting like they deserve things like medical care and safe housing?) America is a society of winners and losers. In the past, it used to be that losers were simply discarded. Now, losers are increasingly subject to overt predation and punishment. It's a crime to lose.

I hope I'm wrong, but my prediction is that at least 80 percent of the detention space is going to be used to imprison people who lost the economic game.

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» RE: Camps are for the bankrupt Posted by: Iconoclast421
» You mean SLAVE CLASS! Posted by: symcokid
» RE: You mean SLAVE CLASS! Posted by: skizex
There are over 600 prison camps in the U.S. already just waiting for us!
Posted by: waves999 on Feb 23, 2006 6:21 AM   
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There over 600 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States.

The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a mass exodus of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.

Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.


This from: linked text

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Strict Father Morality, aka the Machievellian model persecutes the innocent while
Posted by: maxpayne on Feb 23, 2006 6:31 AM   
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giving power to the notorious. Hence, UAE is given the right to control our ports while ordinary and innocent Muslims who have nothing to do with terrorism get persecuted. Welcome to NAZI America.

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what are you sooo worried about?
Posted by: saywhat? on Feb 23, 2006 6:46 AM   
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think positive, afterall one advantage of being a wage slave debtor in the new state of the art USA made detention camps, is that when you are eating your gruel in the morning, you'll be able to watch squeaky clean, state run TV where "everything is good in the commune."

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» RE: what are you sooo worried about? Posted by: montana freeman
Gulags
Posted by: markusmark on Feb 23, 2006 7:30 AM   
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Another commenter said it right - "Holy shit!"
This article scares the crap out of me. It sound like bushit & co have plans to set up slave labor camps similar to those established during WWII by the nazis but with neocon reprogramming. I am anti-gun for personal reasons but I may say a prayer or two tonight for the NRA!!!
When are we, the American public, going to wake up and smell what the neocons have created?
Peace!
Mark

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Memories
Posted by: Colin on Feb 23, 2006 7:49 AM   
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You know, I'm not ashamed to admit there was a little bit of me that was actually a little excited when Bush first came into power. It was the same kind of fasination you get when you drive past a massive car crash and you strain your neck to see the carnage.

I've lived through shite politicians before - Maggie 'Knobhead' Thatcher, being the prime example but you recognised at the time that Bush was something different, even to her. And, as I said, there was a part of me that wondered what it would be like to have a born and bred twat in charge of the 'most powerful country on earth' (TM). I mean - what harm could he actually do? People would still be people wouldn't they?

Well, apparently not. I'll tell you what it does show, though. It really emphasises how precarious the balance between 'good' and 'bad' *can* be and just how important an accountable leader actually is.

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Concentration Camps
Posted by: Tarna on Feb 23, 2006 8:40 AM   
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Let call this for what it is "Concentration camps". We have put people in camps through out history in the name of someone ideology. You would think we could learn from our mistakes of the past but it seems we are destined to do them again. Does anyone remember the chinesse american camps that happened? Funny, how our history is rewritten to accommodate our governments regime. Forgot things are usually things that are covered up by pretending they never happened. I find it frightening that we would even consider doing this again. Does anyone remember Hitler these days? Bush government has striking similarties to the nazis regime.
I hope that people start to come to their senses soon and impeach this current government.

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» RE: Concentration Camps Posted by: DanielT28
» RE: Concentration Camps Posted by: DanielT28
The Solution
Posted by: mbarndollar on Feb 23, 2006 9:35 AM   
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I'm not sure what everyone is worried about? If you register and vote Republican, give generously to the Republican Party (this may be the most important), join and attend a church (preferably evangelical) and espouse "family values" at all the right moments (like when the NSA is listening) you will have nothing to fear and you will no longer show up on a terrorist list. Again, what's the problem??

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» RE: The Solution Posted by: yesisyou
Martial Law
Posted by: Kitty Lady Oregon on Feb 23, 2006 9:43 AM   
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These people do not intend to leave office EVER! They will declare martial law just before the 2008 elections in order to stay in office. We need a new revolution NOW!

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» RE: Martial Law Posted by: DanielT28
Concentration Camps
Posted by: RudiTuzla on Feb 23, 2006 10:28 AM   
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Let's just call them what they are. We are already running concentration camps all over the world, what're a few more in the interests of "security?"

You know the government wouldn't lock anyone up without good reason. Surely you'll feel safer knowing these dangerous miscreants are behind bars indefinately without the danger of meddlesome rules that might require proof of a crime.

We have been attacked, therefore anything goes. In fact, a list of all posters to this thread has been forwarded to the proper authorities. Expect loud pounding on your door at about 3 am. Have a small bag packed and ready.

It will be much better for everyone if you respond immediately to all commands, don't speak unless spoken to, board the truck or bus quickly and move to the furthest available seat to await further instructions.

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» RE: Concentration Camps Posted by: skizex
Canada?
Posted by: bodo on Feb 23, 2006 10:37 AM   
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I wonder what this means for us living in Canada...I don't feel safe here anymore. Our abundance of resources and our lack of low numbers make us way too easy a target.. Sleeping in the same bunk as the new most powerful totalitarian regime in the history of the world...i think i'm gonna barf. To those of you on the forum cracking witty humourous remarks, you probably won't be laughing too much longer.

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» RE: Canada? It depends on your water. Posted by: ConnecttheDots
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Why would anyone be suprised by this?
Posted by: Lizmv on Feb 23, 2006 10:59 AM   
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Of course they are preparing to intern anyone who goes against federal policy. Peak Oil, severe climate change and the collapse of our economy ARE HERE and NOW! How else are the US elite to keep control of the peasants? How else are they to feel secure and maintain their royal status?

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» RE: You nailed it Posted by: skizex
The Harder they'll Fall!
Posted by: williameon on Feb 23, 2006 11:12 AM   
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Who are:
The Bushavics
Building
Concentration Camps for?
Dissidents!
Artists!
Teachers!
Preachers!
Writers!
Musicians!
Poor
Ignorant
Stooges
And
Anyone else!
Who confronts them.
&
Also
Whoever else:
The NSA
Gestapo
Wants to get rid of!

The harder they come
The harder they’ll fall
One and all.

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The Harder they'll Fall!
Posted by: williameon on Feb 23, 2006 11:12 AM   
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Who are:
The Bushavics
Building
Concentration Camps for?
Dissidents!
Artists!
Teachers!
Preachers!
Writers!
Musicians!
Poor
Ignorant
Stooges
And
Anyone else!
Who confronts them.
&
Also
Whoever else:
The NSA
Gestapo
Wants to get rid of!

The harder they come
The harder they’ll fall
One and all.

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Perhaps, if you haven't read it yet
Posted by: Lizmv on Feb 23, 2006 11:15 AM   
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The Handmaiden's Tale by Maragret Atwood.

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That's why they initiated the 9/11 attacks
Posted by: DanielT28 on Feb 23, 2006 11:25 AM   
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If the voting machines companies, and the Republicans certifying them, take over our elections, which they already have to a great degree... they will just fix the next election... If there is a chance that they will not win the election... watch out!... there will be another terrorist attack...
It will be too late for the frogs to jump from the water that's taken over 20 years (at least) to boil...

Effective revolutions, in modern conditions, are carried out with, and not against, the power of the State: the correct order of events is first to secure access to that power and then begin their revolution. They will never abandoned the cloak of legality (push it, yes, but never abondon it); there is an enormous psychological value of having the law on their side.

Niccolo Machiavelli explained, in his Discourses on Livy, that one "must at least retain the semblance of the old forms; so that it may seem to the people that there has been no change in the institutions, even though in fact they are entirely different from the old ones."

Look at the success of the propaganda that's been stuffed down people's throats... still, roughly half of people polled support Bush!!... it even seems that the greater majority of people who are against Bush still don't know what they are actually doing...

I've been paying more attention to public figures on the "left," and it seems like certain ones, that appear to be honest/good people, are steering clear of greater issues or more important points... as if they are allowing for great and lively debate, but are really keeping people within an exceptable range of debate and information dissemination... One such figure is Amy Goodman, she has done some amazing reporting, but I've noticed that she steers clear of certain ideas, literally changing the subject when it gets too close to the more important events... even making statements that are completely untrue, the kind that would make informed people yell, "what the F*** are you talking about?!?!"... or "what about... (insert more relevent fact)???"

Anyway... Hitler burned down the Reichstag, Bush (or should I say Cheney) destroyed the Twin Towers, WT7, and hit the Pentagon...

Under proper media conditions, what public servent could get away with saying that he/she would not oppose dictatorship in the US as long as he/she was the dictator? twice?... Then throw in the financial and political ties to the former Nazi regime, the Bin Laden and Saudi Royal Family... then all of the laws/executive orders passed since... the filling of agencies with political appointees, rather than carreer experts (who are often silenced by these appointees)... the takeover of the election systems (well, they've been controlled since the beginning, so I guess they are just updating their methods with better technology)... the appointment of known criminals to head domestic spy / propaganda / counterintelligence agencies... the medias refusal to even acknowledge the existence, let alone legitimacy, of anything of real significance...

It's just a repeat of what the arristocrats have been doing for centuries... it's even the same families... GWB is related to most former presidents (I believe all but 2, but I'm not sure of the exact number)... he's even related to the deceased Princes Diana... not to mention Churchill... even to people like us (if it's appropriate to say "people like us"), don't have a full understanding of American/world History... History is just an explanation of events by those in power...

I guess I could go on for a long time... into federally controlled public schools training people to be obedient, orderly, "fact" memorizers to work in factories/offices, according to their "proper" place in society...

Anyway... see you all in the concentration camps! (well, those of you who they deem a threat!)

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Fifth Columnists?
Posted by: bogtrotters on Feb 23, 2006 12:12 PM   
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Shut up, Senator Graham. If y'all have forgotten, it was the Palmetto State that started the Civil War.

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But we're just paranoid alarmists...
Posted by: jmonday on Feb 23, 2006 12:32 PM   
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Everytime Bush pushes for and gets one more infringement on our privacy or 4th amendment rights and we object, we are told things like, "if you aren't doing anything wrong, you needn't worry" or "we are at war and this is necessary to protect us" or "this will only be used against the terrorists" or "There will be oversight". But these things add up. The govt. has collected huge databases on us, tapped our phones, read our library records, searched god knows how many homes and computers. Bush has shown he has no respect for our constitutional rights, in fact he often appears contemptueous of them and irritated by their hinderance of what he apparently feels is his absolute power. There are reports of him considering martial law as an acceptable response for many different situations, the latest example is martial law being a component of his plan for a bird flu epidemic. He has a reported willingness, some say an eagernesss to call out the military on his own citizens

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Civil War in the US
Posted by: gary_7vn on Feb 23, 2006 1:01 PM   
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I assume that when the day comes, (another fake terrorist attack or a war in Iran) and Bush does declare martial law (he will, that is clearly the plan) about half of America will say yes sir! The other half will fight. Given the way the Repubs talk about "liberals" (the same way they used to talk about the Russkies) I think that civil war in your country may be only a few years away. Maybe the new bunker buster bombs are not just for Iran but will be useful at "taking out" Liberal resistance elements hiding out in the ruins of the New York subway system. You guys have to do something and you have to do it now, tomorrow is too late. Remember they have to get you in those camps first. Fight! Fight! or it's Gitmo for you liberals.

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The future?
Posted by: Maryanne on Feb 23, 2006 1:06 PM   
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Recently in a suburban neighborhood near us, the local government replaced street lights with solar power panels. The UPROAR! The new lights are UGLY! How can this be allowed? Who in his right mind made this decision? Then, because it has been cloudy this winter, there were nights when enough power had not been stored, so there were no street lights on certain days. MORE UPROAR! How dangerous! How can they expect people to walk out in the evening when it is not properly lit and therefore UNSAFE? (Needless to say this community is very low on any kind of crime, and even less in residential neighborhoods.) However since homes are lit, that light spills into the streets and provides some light, so the neighborhoods are not in total darkness.

What was the result? The town board has caved in and agreed to replace the solar panels with regular street lights. The lights that are being considered are not the pretty ones they had before but standard lights. They are not installed yet, but already loud protests are already being voiced. After all, this is a nice neighborhood to be defaced by ugly street lights!

It isn't just the Bush administration that is living in a bubble. When one's main concern is the attractiveness of street lights, this is very sad- and ultimately so unwise.

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» RE: The future? Posted by: EY
Manzanar War Relocation Center
Posted by: ScottP on Feb 23, 2006 1:57 PM   
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There are previous precedents for what they're planning. One is in California where Japanese people were interned during WWII, without any trials or compensation. Take a look at:
Manzanar - America's Concentration Camp
Manzanar National Park
http://www.manzanar.com/ -- there are plenty more links, too

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camps "for muslim immigrants"
Posted by: bcgirl125 on Feb 23, 2006 2:00 PM   
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I really doubt that. 9/11 was an inside job, and BushCo knows it. So why bother with a few dark-skinned, harmless foreigners? Those camps are for the kind of folks who run forums like yours -- dissidents, in other words.

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» RE: camps "for muslim immigrants" Posted by: bansidh@citlink.net
It's too late now
Posted by: owleyes on Feb 23, 2006 3:29 PM   
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My dear friends, we seem to be at the end of our rope. It's good news, in a way. Hope breeds anxiety, but there is a certain peaceful clarity in understanding that it's all over. I never thought I would want to buy a gun. Now I understand that I must. It's okay, though. Today is a beautiful, sunny day. Winter seems to be winding down in my part of the country. My husband and I have dance class tonight. Later we'll have a drink with our friend. I wish you all could come; we'd have a round together, order some nachos, breathe in that fetid saloon air and laugh our asses off. Let's not be bitter. Maybe something will come and save us. Maybe there will be elections in 2008 after all, but let's not hope. Rather, we should relish our freedom and savor the moments we have.

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» RE: It's too late now Posted by: krose
Re: frightening
Posted by: willymack on Feb 23, 2006 5:55 PM   
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"Dentention" camps for Muslim Immigrants? How about anyone with the temerity to stage mass demonstrations a la Vietnam? I think that's what the REAL thrust is. We need to fire these bums-the sooner, the better.

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» RE: e: frightening Posted by: krose
» RE: e: frightening Posted by: owleyes
The Tyrant shows his face
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Feb 24, 2006 6:31 AM   
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This is exactly what the People Over Tyrants Party is fighting against. The very idea that the Military could spy and police the citizenry is against everything America should be standing for. No, these acts are of a desperite governance grasping at any straw that may keep their greed machine running for one more day.It is our birthright to guestion and remove ANY authority figure that's operating to the detriment of the Nation. I charge this Governance with being incompitent
and in violation of the Constitution in it's entirity,and specifically failure to 'Insure Domestic Tranquility' or 'Promote
the General Welfare'. These acts by president and his supporters require their immeadiate removal from office and arrest for High Crimes Against Humanity and the American People.
We are People of Freedom. Liberty is our way of Life. W & Co. are the enemy of this way of life. We are held hostage by the delusions of Madmen. This Govt is responsible for the creation of the enemies we face and coconspiritor in their actions. This idiocy must be stopped.The threat to the American way of life is from the Whitehouse not the mosque.

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The Beginning of the Third World War
Posted by: Freedom84 on Feb 24, 2006 12:17 PM   
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Ladies and gentelmen isn't it eerie, how the situation in our country mirrors that of Nazi Germany,, its not just eerie or coincidental; it has all become fact. Ever since the Bush Administration took power the comparison began, those who saw right through the sham. Were called unpatriotic, traitors, cowards, conspiracy nut jobs. left wing manaics. But ladies and gentleman it looks like all those of us who know the truth are justified. So here's the scenario if you will...
We have these camps which are being made ready, built or whatever; now the next thing is an attack. Well the Bush Regime has about two years to cause another attack to cause an wave of backlash against the Arab people, something akin to the blind stupidity of September 11th but with a bit more punch to it... Hmm we currently have this issues going on with a private company in Dubai, taking control of six ports..
the whole transaction is to play on the irrational fear and hatred that Americans have of the Arab people. So one year left before the election, everything is quite until...what do you know another attack. most likely on the very same ports that are involved int this business transaction. This will then lead to that backlash, all Americans will unite under the banner of "freedom" suddenly Bush suspends the 2008 elections Martial Law is declared, and Arab immigrants, or those oof Arab Descent, will be tossed into these camps akin to the Holocaust. This will cause a major uproar, which will launch us into war with the entrire Middle East. The Winner controls the world supply of oil. This is it this is the agenda. There will be a second Holocaust, only this time it is the Arabs who will suffer and the sad thing is that no one will give a damn. People we need to begin to understand history, I always thought that Holocaust Memorials and remembering World War 2 was meant as a tool for the same mistakes to be prevented but we are heading down the very same road. And the only way to preven tthis disaster is by putting an end to the Nazi Regime the runs our country, an immediate removal and stripping of power and do what was sone to those before them, try them as War Criminals and put them away. We need to stop the madness whether you are Republican , Democrat, Indepndent, Libertarian, it doesn't matter we are fighting the second coming of the Nazi Party, and this time it wherreas once America supposedley stood on the side of right. We are now on the wrong side and we need to put a stop to this. I do not mean via a violent upheaval or revolution, but we stop it with the power of our Constitution, let us reAuthorize our Constitution and bring freedom back.

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myself
Posted by: justgreenleaf on Feb 24, 2006 12:55 PM   
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Hmm...Concentration camps?

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forfairness
Posted by: forfairness on Feb 24, 2006 5:46 PM   
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What have you people been smoking? Don't sleep very well at night do you? Ever heard of the calvary? Think "Equity Party."
Good Night!

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Grand Inquisitors. Again
Posted by: pennywise on Feb 24, 2006 5:53 PM   
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Mengele, Heydrich and Eichmann must be masturbating in their respective graves. As a country, what have we become?
Kidnap, torture, internment. When Daucha first opened, the first "guests" were Social Democrats, Communists, trade unionists, homosexuals (sound familiar?). But now, Abu Ghraib, Guantanomo and the secret sites in eastern Europe just house Arabs and other muslims. The Bush regime has now graduated to operating bonafide Majdanek, Sobibor, and Treblinka style death camps, all with the full knowledge and support of your local repuglican party [sic]. The idiot moron wants to win the hearts and minds of the muslim world, at the same time he is practicing new methods of torture and extermination. No tyrant in history has ever survived crimes against humanity. The neo-Nazi regime of cheney-bush won't either.

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» RE: Grand Inquisitors. Again Posted by: pbateman
What's In A Name
Posted by: Riverside on Feb 24, 2006 11:55 PM   
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Hand in hand with new detention facilities could evolve an amended definition of terrorism. My bet is that it will be broadened to include normal citizen criticism of and activism against Bush Administration domestic and international policies.

Additionally, we should expect declarations of martial law at the drop of a hat which would enable the powers-that-be to round up and detain any citizen that fails a new party profile.

Is it tyranny time yet? Will there really be a presidential election in 2008?

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the economic, political, and military are one
Posted by: wli on Feb 25, 2006 10:24 PM   
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A coordinated attack on all three fronts is essentially what is thought of, and this is quite explicit. Such things are directly discussed in military planning documents.

The first aspect is economic sanctions on political grounds. Those who have shown up on the data mining dissident dragnet will be denied employment, harassed by police, refused housing, and the like. This is state-sanctioned ideological discrimination, vaguely along the lines of McCarthyist sanctions against Communists, but more centrally, the denial of lucrative employment, quality housing, education, institutional positions, and other economic opportunities to "dissidents." Such ideologically discriminatory practices will clearly hurl dissidents into the (literal!) poorhouses en masse.

The second aspect is military power projection in "strongholds" of dissident ideology, i.e. blue urban areas. Not much is really needed beyond putting the feet on the ground. The over-armed stormtroopers will eventually get bored and harass people and put them away, and the odds are that if they're in such an area, they're Democrats or progressives.

Explicit debtors' prisons are relatively unnecessary, but de facto ones are doubtless part of it. Just leave the dispossessed to their own devices and they'll either die or trip over someone's property rights, since there is no longer such a thing as the commons. The Great Famine is a good precedent for how that will proceed.

Political dissidents are the most "high-value targets" of the concentration camps, and they will be disposed of en masse. The critical technique here is to arrange for conditions under which political dissidents may be disposed of under other pretexts.

Such conditions include the impoverishment of regions featuring concentrations of those ideologically aligned toward dissidents. This is already happening; federal tax collections and outlays show a balance of payment funnelling 85 billion USD/yr to red states while robbing blue states of 194 billion USD/yr. These wealth transfer policies will continue and accelerate.

Another condition is the intensification of COINTELPRO -type efforts (which neither began nor ended with what was formally called COINTELPRO). False flag domestic terrorist attacks have the added incentive to the regime that they remove the victims and framed perpetrators in one stroke.

Yet another condition is "disastermandering" or "evacuationmandering." Disasters have the added incentive of providing a measure of plausible deniability, the cover story of incompetence, and the "downgrading" of the attack into a sin of omission. The dispossessed will simply be disposed of, much like Katrina (unless they're corporations, in which case regressive taxes will be levied to bail them out).

In other words, I don't expect a noticeably sudden rounding up of dissidents and mass imprisonment thereof, barring major crises such as Katrina.

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Thank goodness this is getting attention
Posted by: Monde on Feb 26, 2006 1:11 AM   
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Every time I go to a demonstration I become the subject of an awful lot of photography. I check Indymedia to see if it's them. It's not.

At the last World Can't Wait SOTU demonstration in San Francisco I had my picture taken a total of ELEVEN times, up close and personal, by individuals who would not speak to me when I tried to converse with them before and immediately after the photos were taken.

Two weeks ago a blue automobile passed me on a street near where I live and a picture was taken of me from inside the car.

I have a feeling I may be a disappearance about to happen. Is there any website for reporting daily when one has things like this happen to them, so that if the person stops posting for any length of time we will know they have been disappeared? If such a site does not exist, I suggest someone ought to create one.

Four, five years ago I would have thought this to be absolutely insane, proof I was tumbling into paranoid schizophrenia. If only, if only that were all it was.

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