vasudeva
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10/30/2007 at 17:02 |
I've been noticing, since I made the change to allow a Delete vote in the Alpha Queue to count towards the Reject action, that more and more links are simply being deleted instead of rejected.
I made the Delete action count as a Reject because this way your Delete vote also works toward Rejecting the link whether or not 3 other people agree to Delete. It wasn't meant to replace Reject by any means.
The original idea behind Rejected links was that there were a shitload of links that weren't really good enough for the frontpage, but maybe someone would enjoy them, so Alphas could see them. Deleted links are gone forever and were originally planned to be comprised of utter garbage, like broken links or google.com or low-grade porn thumbnail gallery spam, etc. A problem with Deleting everything you don't like is that it removes link submission history.
Are you guys generally finding less value in Rejected links? If that's the case, I can rejigger shit. If it's a case of confusion as to what does what, we can rejigger that too.
What we definitely don't want to start doing is wiping records of a sizeable portion of everything that gets submitted, though.
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BigDinWaunakee
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10/30/2007 at 17:28 |
I delete submissions that I believe aren't even worthy of Alpha's reading. My crit is a bit wider than the several examples you raised, so I have front page crit (I know it when I read it), Alpha crit (worthy, but not front), and Del crit (don't bother me or anyone else). Meesa likes the three categories and the triggers that you have described.
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BigDinWaunakee
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10/30/2007 at 17:31 |
Perhaps you can have a Deleted junkyard, that maintains records, but dumps the links into some forum/area for access to those interested. To be honest, I wouldn't like deletes clogging the main page, as I rarely read the rejected links, unless of course it some hot porn or has an interesting comment assoc witit.
BDiW
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jwalker
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10/30/2007 at 17:35 |
I rarely vote Delete - unless it's a blatant repeat or a broken link, etc.
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vasudeva
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10/30/2007 at 17:44 |
jwalker: I rarely vote Delete - unless it's a blatant repeat or a broken link, etc.
I presume then you find enough value in rejected links to keep them around. I'd like to find out who agrees, and who doesn't, and why.
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middle_age_man
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10/30/2007 at 18:08 |
I find the deleted links are a good barometer of the trends and the sometimes fickle tastes of the alphas. Plus, there is the occasional bit of gold to be found.
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JohnLenin
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10/30/2007 at 18:13 |
jwalker: I rarely vote Delete - unless it's a blatant repeat or a broken link, etc.
same.
It's good to keep the link list shiny for the non-alphas, and to attract new swarmers, but I like having the rejected links around. Just because they're not swarm material doesn't always mean that they're not interesting at all. One man's trash and whatnot.
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vasudeva
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10/30/2007 at 18:20 |
middle_age_man: I find the deleted links are a good barometer of the trends and the sometimes fickle tastes of the alphas. Plus, there is the occasional bit of gold to be found.
You must mean Rejected links. Deleted links cease to exist entirely.
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middle_age_man
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10/30/2007 at 18:25 |
vasudeva: middle_age_man: I find the deleted links are a good barometer of the trends and the sometimes fickle tastes of the alphas. Plus, there is the occasional bit of gold to be found.
You must mean Rejected links. Deleted links cease to exist entirely.
Oops, I meant rejected.
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nocal
It's insane, this guy's taint  SSHOLEPosts: 811 Registered: 8/25/2004 Offline
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10/30/2007 at 18:26 |
according to that "stats" thread, i delete more than most. i delete if i feel that the link provides no entertainment to alphas. a single picture, spam, bad porn, a bad joke, an ancient page or video. i guess my judgement is that alphas are more internet savvy than most and don't care about the shittiest of links |
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dent
Slipping it into the wrong hole any chance I get  SSHOLEPosts: 857 Registered: 10/20/2004 Offline
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10/30/2007 at 18:33 |
My input is probably useless since I don't generally vote often, due to sheer laziness.
I only delete shit that is broken or spam. I'm easily amused so I don't reject stuff that often either.
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dragonstaff
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10/30/2007 at 20:21 |
At one point in time, I was deleting more than anyone, so I guess my input might be worth something here.
I very rarely (never?) use the reject option. If I don't think a link is good enough for the front page, I doubt that the Alphas will get much out of it either, so it gets a delete vote. I also delete youtube etc. links quite regularly because there are other places on the Swarm for them to go.
Any link I cant decide on will get ignored, but I will usually either vote yes or delete. There are very few that fall in between.
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jwalker
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10/30/2007 at 22:29 |
JohnLenin: jwalker: I rarely vote Delete - unless it's a blatant repeat or a broken link, etc.
same.
It's good to keep the link list shiny for the non-alphas, and to attract new swarmers, but I like having the rejected links around. Just because they're not swarm material doesn't always mean that they're not interesting at all. One man's trash and whatnot.
Plus it's fun to harrass the poster.
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JohnLenin
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10/30/2007 at 22:34 |
jwalker: JohnLenin: jwalker: I rarely vote Delete - unless it's a blatant repeat or a broken link, etc.
same.
It's good to keep the link list shiny for the non-alphas, and to attract new swarmers, but I like having the rejected links around. Just because they're not swarm material doesn't always mean that they're not interesting at all. One man's trash and whatnot.
Plus it's fun to harrass the poster.
yeah, it's fun to get together with the alpha gents and poke at the dead thing on the front page. Sometimes the worst links get some funny comments.
DO IT FOR TEH LULZ!
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acheron
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10/30/2007 at 22:53 |
I think I've abused this once or twice. Otherwise I'm just going by the reject method.
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Wrecker
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10/30/2007 at 22:56 |
I delete if I am feeling too lazy to to come up some witty reject reason. That or I ignore.
Occasionally I will +1 something.
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vasudeva
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10/31/2007 at 01:07 |
nocal: i delete if i feel that the link provides no entertainment to alphas. a single picture, spam, bad porn, a bad joke, an ancient page or video.
dent: I only delete shit that is broken or spam.
jwalker: Plus it's fun to harrass the poster.
JohnLenin: Sometimes the worst links get some funny comments.
This is all pretty much how I intended shit to work. I'm happy to hear the above, because it means I don't need to make changes. If the above isn't true for some, I need to hear that too, because if I need to make changes, I should know. Also, it might liven up this joint a bit.
acheron: I think I've abused this once or twice. Otherwise I'm just going by the reject method.
I wouldn't call this abuse.
Wrecker: I delete if I am feeling too lazy to to come up some witty reject reason.
I would call this abuse. You fat-head.
dragonstaff: I very rarely (never?) use the reject option. If I don't think a link is good enough for the front page, I doubt that the Alphas will get much out of it either, so it gets a delete vote. I also delete youtube etc. links quite regularly because there are other places on the Swarm for them to go.
Well, this isn't my philosophy on it, but you've got one you can articulate, which means it's consistent and thus defensible. I'm putting you in the "probably doesn't think Rejected links generate much value" bucket. I'm guessing if I made a "Don't show me Rejected links on the front page option" (something I may do, but not any time soon, in all likelihood) you would like it.
Any link I cant decide on will get ignored
Again, excellent use of the Alpha Queue insofar as it refers to Original Alpha Queue Canon.
Let's refer to this handy chart...
What we're looking at here is a couple of historical data points showing Alpha Queue vote flavors at four points spanning the past two months. As you can see, for a brief spell, Rejects waned while Deletes rose in number. This seems to have normalized for the moment.
Also, I'd like to point out that the level of dickbutt has remained at a rock-steady '200' through-out this period. Well done guys.
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SlitStorm
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10/31/2007 at 02:00 |
I'm trying to be objective about shit, so I'll +1 what I think folks'll enjoy, even if I personally find it stupid. If I think everyone *should* find it stupid, then I'll reject. And wring my hands trying to find a clever reason. ( I wanna run with the big kids!)
I've deleted items that are easily accessible to anyone who surfs places outside LS, only because my internet world has become saturated said items. I figure people who know about Linkswarm prolly have the same feeds I do and come here for stuff that's a bit more obscure. Everyone gets The News, not everyone has time to hunt down "Where has the white dog shit gone?"
So, Vas, while you're asking if reject vs delete needs changing, I'm now asking if I'm playing the game right. |
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vasudeva
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10/31/2007 at 02:19 |
SlitStorm: I'm trying to be objective about shit, so I'll +1 what I think folks'll enjoy, even if I personally find it stupid. If I think everyone *should* find it stupid, then I'll reject.
You're playing the game Just Right.
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Uart
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10/31/2007 at 04:01 |
I rarely vote. When I do, I usually don't hit delete. |
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LORDKAHUNA
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10/31/2007 at 04:23 |
I like to delete stupid, some shit just doesn't belong.
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mundhra
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10/31/2007 at 06:17 |
vasudeva: nocal: i delete if i feel that the link provides no entertainment to alphas. a single picture, spam, bad porn, a bad joke, an ancient page or video.
dent: I only delete shit that is broken or spam.
jwalker: Plus it's fun to harrass the poster.
JohnLenin: Sometimes the worst links get some funny comments.
This is all pretty much how I intended shit to work. I'm happy to hear the above, because it means I don't need to make changes. If the above isn't true for some, I need to hear that too, because if I need to make changes, I should know. Also, it might liven up this joint a bit.
agree++ in all manners.
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dragonstaff
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10/31/2007 at 06:44 |
vasudeva: dragonstaff: I very rarely (never?) use the reject option. If I don't think a link is good enough for the front page, I doubt that the Alphas will get much out of it either, so it gets a delete vote. I also delete youtube etc. links quite regularly because there are other places on the Swarm for them to go.
Well, this isn't my philosophy on it, but you've got one you can articulate, which means it's consistent and thus defensible. I'm putting you in the "probably doesn't think Rejected links generate much value" bucket. I'm guessing if I made a "Don't show me Rejected links on the front page option" (something I may do, but not any time soon, in all likelihood) you would like it.
I haven't seen all that much action around the majority of rejected links lately ( there is always the occasional standout) so that particular bucket may actually have something going for it.
I would still keep rejected links on my front page though ( 99% sure, anyway) because I don't see every link that is submitted, and I will sometimes find one that interests ME, even though the admins or other Alphas thought it was crap. I do tend to read the comments on rejects in any case, for the reject reasons (LOLS) and to see what sort of link is being rejected by which alphas/admins.
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Wotak
You + Fava Beans = Yum  SSHOLEPosts: 698 Registered: 5/27/2005 Offline
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10/31/2007 at 11:28 |
I think there are certain Alphas that should be able to use a delete function. I don't think I'm one of them, although I have once or twice. I won't miss it if it's not available in my queue.
As for rejected links; they are one of the reasons I pay for Alpha. I like to see the stuff considered not good enough because A: it's more content for me to enjoy in a different manner (ie-poking fun at the rejected submitter). B: The comments are often funny. C: The reject reasons are usually lollsome. and D: RPT rejections are often new to me because I'm not always paying attention.
Maybe the Delete function should be for Mods only?
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shitbox
my balls your chin, get used to that idea  SSHOLEPosts: 932 Registered: 1/9/2005 Offline
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11/3/2007 at 18:15 |
Might I suggest this....
A -1 button that counts only for a -1, a reject if you will.
A -2 that counts as a -1 reject and/or delete.
And a DELETE for obvious spam, or recent repeats.
Does that make sense?
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vasudeva
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11/3/2007 at 18:45 |
That actually does make sense, yeah -- basically define the buckets so that you have...
1) This Is Crap bucket
2) This is Crap And Probably Needs To Be Deleted bucket
3) This Definitely Needs To Be Deleted bucket
Practically, though, I think having so many buckets will confuse an already less-than-elementary process.
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BigDinWaunakee
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11/3/2007 at 19:14 |
Keep - Front Page
Keep - Alphas Only
Delete - Goodbye Fucko
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shitbox
my balls your chin, get used to that idea SSHOLEPosts: 932 Registered: 1/9/2005 Offline
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11/4/2007 at 07:51 |
vasudeva: That actually does make sense, yeah -- basically define the buckets so that you have...
1) This Is Crap bucket
2) This is Crap And Probably Needs To Be Deleted bucket
3) This Definitely Needs To Be Deleted bucket
Practically, though, I think having so many buckets will confuse an already less-than-elementary process.
I think it would work fine. I'm also for not needing to give a reject reason when I -1something. I don't usually feel like explaining myself besides, 'this is crap' usually just states the obvious.
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