dinozoa
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5/19/2006 at 23:02 |
I know we already had an animal rights forum, but I was kind of interested in it back then, and I just watched a video about PETA, and so I feel the need to re-open the issue. The problem is, everybody here seems pretty solidly anti-PETA. I want to know, is there anybody here who is pro-PETA, and if so, can you explain your beliefs to me? I'm curious, and very split on the issue, and I really don't have the pro-PETA side of the argument.
BTW, the pen and teller show on PETA absolutely blows. They don't really make any worthwhile points for or against PETA.
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5/19/2006 at 23:34 |
Nobody that supports PETA can make a valid point because they have none.
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5/19/2006 at 23:44 |
Anthropomorphism.
I think that sums it up.
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azron123
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5/20/2006 at 00:16 |
If PETA stands for People Eating Tastey Animals you can count me in.
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vasudeva
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5/20/2006 at 00:30 |
I know we already had an animal rights forum, but I was kind of interested in it back then, and I just watched a video about PETA, and so I feel the need to re-open the issue. The problem is, everybody here seems pretty solidly anti-PETA. I want to know, is there anybody here who is pro-PETA, and if so, can you explain your beliefs to me? I'm curious, and very split on the issue, and I really don't have the pro-PETA side of the argument.
BTW, the pen and teller show on PETA absolutely blows. They don't really make any worthwhile points for or against PETA.
The idea of PETA sounds pretty nice, I suppose, until I hear about some of the goofy shit they do.
As for Penn and Teller, I watched an episode of their show and it was just as much spin as the shit they were trying to debunk.
Notice how I've managed to form two opinions with little information concerning either. GO INTERNET!
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5/20/2006 at 15:03 |
I am neither for or against PETA. I hunt, fish and eat meat, so I am solidly out of their camp.
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5/20/2006 at 17:47 |
We are not any of the species that we eat, test on, or abuse. Therefore, we don't need to give a crap.
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5/20/2006 at 21:16 |
If we aren't supposed to eat animals, then why did God make them all out of meat?
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dinozoa
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5/22/2006 at 08:57 |
Oh well, I guess no PETA enthusiasts like linkswarm, or felt the need to respond to this post.
Also, I knew it was only a matter of time until somebody offered up the asisine, "if we aren't supposed to eat animals..." argument. I don't think there's ever been a debate about animals where somebody didn't say that, sounding stupid as fuck, and thinking they were funny as fuck. Hell, people even where it on t-shirts. I just hate that saying sooooo much, it's not funny, it doesn't make sense, nobody ever says we're not supposed to eat animals, nobody even talks about 'supposing' to eat animals, as if we had to eat all our meat or we wouldn't get a desert. Jesus Christ.
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5/22/2006 at 11:27 |
dinozoa: Also, I knew it was only a matter of time until somebody offered up the asisine, "if we aren't supposed to eat animals..." argument. I don't think there's ever been a debate about animals where somebody didn't say that, sounding stupid as fuck, and thinking they were funny as fuck. Hell, people even where it on t-shirts. I just hate that saying sooooo much, it's not funny, it doesn't make sense, nobody ever says we're not supposed to eat animals, nobody even talks about 'supposing' to eat animals, as if we had to eat all our meat or we wouldn't get a desert. Jesus Christ.
Dinozoa, meet Absurdity. Absurdity, meet Dinozoa. I know, he's kind of cranky, but he means well.
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5/22/2006 at 11:35 |
Human beings are omnivores. Period. The offspring of strict vegetarians are less robust and score lower on intelligence tests. I wonder if there's a connection.
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dinozoa
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5/22/2006 at 17:04 |
I guess I believe that kids who eat a lot of protein are better are than those who have to scrounge for protein in soy milk and such, but I can't help but wonder if there's another reason why strict vegetarian parents might produce, in the eyes of the standardized tests, less healthy offspring.
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5/22/2006 at 17:31 |
azron123: The offspring of strict vegetarians are less robust and score lower on intelligence tests.
Where do you find this statistic ?
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5/22/2006 at 18:35 |
ghostrider: azron123: The offspring of strict vegetarians are less robust and score lower on intelligence tests.
Where do you find this statistic ?
by looking around
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5/22/2006 at 20:50 |
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5/23/2006 at 12:58 |
ghostrider: azron123: The offspring of strict vegetarians are less robust and score lower on intelligence tests.
Where do you find this statistic ?
LinkSwarm. Of course. About 2 years ago. Also saw articles on Yahoo, New York Times, Miami Hearald and witchvox
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5/23/2006 at 13:03 |
Exactly. Vegans are retards. By choice.
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5/23/2006 at 13:05 |
Pam Anderson and Adolph Hitler are 2 famous vegans. I'm still thinking about the significance of this.
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5/23/2006 at 13:08 |
azron123: Pam Anderson and Adolph Hitler are 2 famous vegans. I'm still thinking about the significance of this.
I'd fuck teh shit outta both of them.
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5/23/2006 at 16:41 |
I've never actually supported PETA, though i do support the kind of empathy that, at least I believe, is at the root of their often misguded tactics.
i have an empathy for the creatures that our society allows to be tortured to check, fo the umpteen billionth time, whether shampoo stings when you stick it in your eye.
I have empathey for the puppies bought for children after seeing 101 Dalmatians, that wind up being euthanized because ll they did was grow up.
I understand the hurt that i assume many PETA have at unnecessary infliction of pain on another creature, quad or bi-pedal.
Cruelty on any creature makes me sick, and whether you agree with their methods or not, at least they have a passion for something that they obviously care deeply about.
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5/24/2006 at 01:02 |
Pchimp: Anthropomorphism.
I think that sums it up.
no. it's the opposite!
PETA would rather save a fluffy bunny than a nigger child.
honest.
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dinozoa
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5/24/2006 at 01:07 |
InfectionConnection: I've never actually supported PETA, though i do support the kind of empathy that, at least I believe, is at the root of their often misguded tactics.
i have an empathy for the creatures that our society allows to be tortured to check, fo the umpteen billionth time, whether shampoo stings when you stick it in your eye.
I have empathey for the puppies bought for children after seeing 101 Dalmatians, that wind up being euthanized because ll they did was grow up.
I understand the hurt that i assume many PETA have at unnecessary infliction of pain on another creature, quad or bi-pedal.
Cruelty on any creature makes me sick, and whether you agree with their methods or not, at least they have a passion for something that they obviously care deeply about.
Can you explain why you have this ideology, in a way that would encourage others to adopt it?
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5/24/2006 at 12:08 |
dinozoa: InfectionConnection: Cruelty on any creature makes me sick, and whether you agree with their methods or not, at least they have a passion for something that they obviously care deeply about.
Can you explain why you have this ideology, in a way that would encourage others to adopt it?
I think any such explanation would pretty quickly devolve into begging the question; either you have somewhere in your makeup the capacity for sympathizing with lesser creatures or you don't.
If you don't, it's silly. If you do, it's common decency.
That's my guess, anyway. It's sort of like saying "explain why you love your mom." You can come up with practical reasons why she's good to love, but that's not why you love her.
There's probably a margin of folks who have a habitual set of reactions (mostly apathy) who you could pinken up around the edges by making them sit and think about cruelty. On the other hand, these probably aren't the guys who grew up throwing rocks at strays and setting neighborhood cats on fire and end up in the clink or in a Stephen King novel.
EDIT: Is this video you watched in the original post somewhere on the Web?
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5/24/2006 at 16:09 |
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7059606407359705444&q=PETA
I'm pretty sure that's the whole thing.
Also, what does it matter if the ideology requires a certain 'pink around the edges' mindset, if it's correct?
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5/24/2006 at 19:12 |
dinozoa: Also, what does it matter if the ideology requires a certain 'pink around the edges' mindset, if it's correct?
I suppose it depends on your goals.
What are your goals?
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5/24/2006 at 19:24 |
There's a big fat gray area where you weigh the costs and benefits.
I occasionally try to factor in how my actions impact the world around me, including other creatures, including people, and weigh it against the benefit to me. Cruelty has a negative impact on me, an it affects choices i make. I wont eat veal or fois gras - both of which require unnecessarily cruel practices to produce.
My concern for creatures is a result of having grown up around them, cared for them, and yes, even killing and eating them. I respect hunters who eat what they kill, but have no respect for someone who does it simply to hang a head on a wall. These people are cruel and are not my friends.
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5/24/2006 at 19:50 |
I guess I had higher hopes for the subject. Basically, I find PETA so zany and objectionable, it has almost become a freakshow. I imagine almost everyone feels this way. But I do identify with the ideologies of other fringe groups, so I was curious, is it possible that PETA is correct in its assertions that humans must be respectful of other animals, ie are they correct in asserting that wanton killing of animals is no more ethically justified than wanton killing of humans?
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5/24/2006 at 21:40 |
I don't think its so black and white. The general premise that "wanton killing of animals is no more ethically justified than wanton killing of humans" is a personal opinion. Do you draw the line at mammals, fish, insects? I would suspect that having a PETA tag attached to your name may not necessarily mean you'd draw the line at the same phylum, class or family...
I DO think that people who are more conscientious about the suffering of non-human animals would also tend to be more conscientious of the suffering of other human animals. But i don't have data to back that up. Its an asusmption i do make though.
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5/24/2006 at 21:42 |
dinozoa: are they correct in asserting that wanton killing of animals is no more ethically justified than wanton killing of humans?
I don't know about ethically justifying anything, but if saving the lives of 10 humans requires the death of 10 animals, the animals are toast in my book. It seems practical.
Tell me more of these zany and objectionable bits (haven't had a chance to watch the video, if that's a goldmine thereof).
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5/24/2006 at 21:58 |
I agree with the PETA as freakshow idea.
I work for a very large scientific publishing company. We publish all manner of books and journals that share the results of fuzzy bunny/mousie/kittie/doggie/piggie/minkey tests, or as PETA would say, torture. We give large grants and advances to scientist who do experiments and then publish the findings with our company. Because of this we receive hate mail, lawsuits, bomb threats, and even the occasional death threat from kind, caring, sympathetic folks like PETA.
Now it is true that some of these experiments are pretty horrid if you think about them in terms of how the animal must feel. I don't feel all warm and fuzzy inside when I'm working on the layout for a full color pic of a live monkey with half his brain hanging out. That being said, there are HUGE FUCKING GAINS to be had from testing drugs and therapies on animals. Animal testing is heavily regulated within the scientific community. Beyond the regulations that the labs/schools face, they also have to meet with the publisher's code of ethics on animal testing, which are no joke. We have turned away books or articles because they wrote about experiments that did not meet our standards for "humane and necessary" testing. It wouldn't be lucrative or smart for a scientist to buck these regulations, since getting published is the only way to validate their work and gain credit for their findings.
Animal rights whackos like PETA fail to acknowledge the need for scientific experimentation which leads me to believe that they are big fat hypocrites rather than reasonable people. Any time you catch a PETA choad taking a prescription, whether it be birth control or antibiotic or whatever, you can ask them why they are supporting animal testing. Shit, if they have ever gotten a cavity filled, an x-ray, worn contacts, gotten vaccinated or had laser eye surgery they are using advances made possible by horrible bunny torture.
End of rant.
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