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Wrecker
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4/20/2006 at 13:49 |
I am curious where the swarm stands on this issue. I am approaching this from a position of "innocent until proven guilty" on these kids, and I have to say that the prosecution's case looks (at least what has been made public) pretty flimsy.
I understand that the DA in this case is up for election soon and the recent indictments MAY have something to do with his getting re-elected. A slam-dunk case that shows him to be "tough on crime" and all that jazz.
The evidence that has been made public so far (DNA, photos, phone records, the taxi drivers statement, etc) all point to a conclusion that these kids did not (and could not have) rape this woman, but I want to know your take.
Is this a case of privileged kids taking advantage of a stripper?
Is this a "race" thing?
Is it politically motivated?
Or is it just a scam on the stripper’s part to cash in?
Discuss.
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metatron
Fighting The Good Fight ™  SSHOLEPosts: 467 Registered: 4/12/2002 Offline
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4/20/2006 at 14:12 |
I think of it as the "perfect storm" - ya know?
Affluent university in a racially/economically divided community
+ Testosterone driven frat-boy athletes
+ drugs & alcohol
+ stripper (who happens to be black)
+ big-shot DA
= media field day
Personally, as much as I hate Duke, I think these guys are probably not guilty of rape. They might be guilty of other crimes like "kidnapping" or whatever they called it. It's pretty clear the case is weak because they were only able to nab two guys. Weren't there initially like 6-8 in the police report? It's a sad power play that has ruined the lives of a lot of people.
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vasudeva
Bad Taste in your Mouth  SSHOLEPosts: 4394 Registered: 3/8/2002 Offline
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4/20/2006 at 14:14 |
The evidence that has been made public so far (DNA, photos, phone records, the taxi drivers statement, etc) all point to a conclusion that these kids did not (and could not have) rape this woman, but I want to know your take.
That's my take, based on the 15 minutes I spent listening to a single mass-media report on it. It's possible they picked the wrong kids out of the bunch, because that one dude with the ATM receipts seems to have a decent alibi, at least at the outset.
Part of what makes this case so interesting is that there seems to be hard evidence -- phone logs, receipts, photos of the scene.
Is this a case of privileged kids taking advantage of a stripper?
Possibly. The anonymous 911 phone call reported some white fratties shouting nigger into the night.
Is this a "race" thing?
Even if it isn't, you can bet the disenfranchised are making it one as fast as possible.
Apparently they've been demonstrating in the streets and protesting that the girl is innocent, etc. It's nice to see that they've made up their minds without access to testimony or evidence. I saw a clip of them rap-battling the DA or the prosecutor or somebody and their information was all screwed up. They didn't know how many suspects there were, and were under the impression the cops didn't learn about the incident for days.
One good (paraphased) quote from a community member: "The media has been portraying my sister as a stripper and an exotic dancer. Why don't they portray her as a student? As a mother? As a woman?" Then the crowd cheers at this trainwreck of logic.
Or is it just a scam on the stripper’s part to cash in?
I have a hunch that, if this turns out to be a hoax, the stripper found out the frattos like to shout nigger and got enraged and decided to screw them over.
It's entirely possible we'll never know. These kids are so rich, and the local black community is so enraged, that finding the truth in the middle of all this bullshit racial posturing and big-money influence is probably not easy.
I saw Rita Cosby interviewing the stripper's dad, asking bullshit questions like:
Q:Is it possible your daughter has made this all up? That she would lie about being raped?
(Guess the answer.)
Q: Are you frustrated with the legal system right now, and how much?
(Guess the answer. She did.)
For some reason, the dad remained 'anonymous'. Apparently the stripper has a wierd series of legal violations like fraud, outrunning cops who were trying to pull her over, and assaulting a government official. This last sentence should be researched a lot more but I'm not finding anything immediately.
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Navyguy
Tender vittles  Posts: 16 Registered: 5/8/2006 Offline
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5/8/2006 at 23:35 |
Let me sit back and reflect on this as a criminal justice major. Well firstly i have to question the credibility of the prostitute, im mean im sorry prosecution and by that i mean the DA its a weak case with DNA evidence matching NONE, ZERO of the duke lax players. Now there must have been something there, either skin, hair, or semen for there to be a test worked off of. The DA in my belief is using this as a catapault to the top this upcoming election. Great work on the defense to file a motion to have him removed because of the election This is a women who is suspect to begin with, and i dont blame the victim dont get me wrong. But this young lady has very interesting past, including attempting to evade police, and several other misdemenors, oh and not to mention a previous rape accusation that fell flat. A question i must ask, if you were once supposedly raped, why would you take a job that caters to pleasing the sexual appitites of young men? it all to me seems like a big scam, think kobe bryant only college kids, rich and targetable from blackmail and fraud. to bad there is no solid evidence to get em because they both have very good alibis. one has a taxi driver who confirms it could not have been him, the other has ATM records. all in all i think there may have been something that happened, but i dont think it happened at the party, i think it maybe kobe round 2 where there were other sexual partners after the party or shortly before, and being called a nigger as she was leaving probably set her off on a path of revenge. Its a shame that a community like Durham must deal with such a tragedy, because no matter what way the case goes its a tragedy. If indeed this young lady was raped thats tragic, but if its all a load of bull its tragic that a great lax team had is season cancelled, i feel deeply for those seniors, and for the 2 sophs accused cause this is gonna run with them the rest of their lives regardless of the outcome |
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SexNinja
the illest nigga  SSHOLEPosts: 1516 Registered: 10/28/2007 Offline
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5/9/2006 at 01:06 |
Let me sit back and reflect on this as a criminal justice major.
Laffo.
Now there must have been something there, either skin, hair, or semen for there to be a test worked off of.
Welcome to the "I watch CSI and CSI always finds DNA(SQUEEE!!!) therefore there is always DNA(SQUEEE!!!)" bin of ignorance that the majority of American jurors reside in.
and i dont blame the victim dont get me wrong.
But you do. A question i must ask, if you were once supposedly raped, why would you take a job that caters to pleasing the sexual appitites of young men?...it all to me seems like a big scam, think kobe bryant only college kids, rich and targetable from blackmail and fraud. See?
but if its all a load of bull its tragic that a great lax team had is season cancelled, i feel deeply for those seniors, and for the 2 sophs accused cause this is gonna run with them the rest of their lives regardless of the outcome
Sure must suck for them. It's hardly tragic though. Tragic would be if the accusation is true. And if it is true, it should run with them for the rest of their lives.
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LORDKAHUNA
Don't make me fuk your moustache  SSHOLEPosts: 1608 Registered: 8/5/2003 Offline
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5/9/2006 at 01:18 |
Navyguy:Large meandering paragraph
Let me sit back and reflect on this as a criminal justice major.
Laffo
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Stump
SENATOR BABYHEAD  Posts: 310 Registered: 6/18/2002 Offline
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5/9/2006 at 02:02 |
Tawanna Brawley redeux.
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IMBOLCPunxsutawneyPhil
SENATOR BABYHEAD  Posts: 244 Registered: 3/17/2005 Offline
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5/9/2006 at 02:49 |
so like there are crimes that are guilty until proven innocent and there exists a reverse victim dynamic that the ol' crim justice [future cop?!] major is alluding to.
Could the products of priviledge abuse a poor young ethnic minority girl for their perverse pleasure?
--OR--
Could a young savvy Ho' use her niggardly ways to entice brave upstanding lacrossers into her evil snares and ruin their precious season with her accusations?
I think that neither is as simple a paradigm that exists. But we do have facts:
A) duke players are big honkey dicks with $$
B) black chix wants money and has a mottled past.
C) They interacted in the realm of sexual relationships.
--and that's about it.
Without hard "CSI" evidence there is no real method to determine the guilt or culpability of either party. The fact that there are accusations to make and that the DA is looking for votes makes this tasteless--and for that area of the country it is par for the course.
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Navyguy
Tender vittles Posts: 16 Registered: 5/8/2006 Offline
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5/9/2006 at 03:51 |
but the thing that some people seem to be shall we say oblivious to is that there was DNA found from semen, now being that there are what roughly 40 odd players on the team and the results said that none of them had a match to the DNA found, again NONE, while a case can be proven without DNA i believe the quote from the DA was some where from 85-90% cases dont have any DNA, he fails to mention that in those cases no DNA is found at all, but in this case there was DNA found and again no link, i really see this as an open and shut case for the defense, as far as my major its actually intended for the navy as im going into the JAG program, and do no blame the victim, i question her creditability but i do not blame her for what happened if something did happen, i just dont beleive her story, and i find her story contridictory, i just cant fathom her choices following a "previous rape" but thats not blaming her, thats just questioning either A: her motives or B: her intelligence |
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