Steel
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4/6/2006 at 13:35 |
Well I figure we ought to get a thread going about this.
Man these guys have balls! They are awfully public about their War Games/ Missile Tests. I'm scared that CNN is just either A) Reporting Steadily on this so that we get scared and OK the invasion or 2) CNN is just making all this shit up so that we get scared and OK the invasion. (Since I am ignorant and most of my knowledge about this stuff comes from CNN I will attest that the 2nd theory could be wrong and could be checked into by looking at other new media from around the Globe)
So lets Recap Iran's Operation: Fuck You U.S.A. Missle Test Program.
Test Missile #1
Friday March 31st - The Fajr-3 (Ooo Scary Name) It is said that this missile can avoid radars and hit several targets simultaneously using multiple warheads.
So?? One big missle, with little mini missles inside that shoot out and go to separate targets?? That Sucks!
Torpedo Tests
Sunday/Monday - Hoot Torpedos - "able to move at 223 mph, too fast for any enemy ship to elude."
Test Missile #2
Tuesday April 4th - Named Kowsar after a river in Muslim depictions of paradise.
A second radar-avoiding missile, a surface-to-sea weapon equipped with remote-control and searching systems and designed to sink ships. Its guidance system cannot be scrambled, military officials said. They said Iran has the capability of mass producing the medium-range missile.
Test Missile #3
Wednesday Apr 5th - "top-secret" (LOL) "ultra-horizon" weapon.
This missile can be fired from all military helicopters and jet fighters.
The television broadcast called the test a "turning point" in Iran's missile tests. It said the new missile does not require the OTHT (over the horizon targeting) system that other missiles must be equipped with to be able to make use of their maximum range.
The report said Iran is the first country to develop the technology for such a missile.
AND ON THE 7th DAY... THEY RESTED!
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ghostrider
liberal exit  SSHOLEPosts: 2502 Registered: 7/29/2004 Offline
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4/6/2006 at 13:37 |
I'm expecting the draft age to be moved up to 65 any day now.
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vasudeva
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4/6/2006 at 14:12 |
Awesome. Thanks for compiling this. Been curious but too busy.
What is 'ultra-horizon'?
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Steel
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4/6/2006 at 14:15 |
Top-Secret - Sounds Scary! |
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Wrecker
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4/6/2006 at 14:19 |
During my tour at the Naval War College (War Gaming Department) there were two areas of the world that were "gamed" extensively. Those two areas were North Korea, and its desire to reunify the peninsula, and Iran and its desire to be a pain in everyone elses ass.
The North Korea scenarios consistantly resulted in the following: 1) The US military presence on the DMZ gets completely wiped out after failing to provide the "speedbump" that they are there for. 2) The conflict ALWAYS resulted in the use of nuclear weapons, usually instigated by North Korea, and answered in turn by the US. At this point, the gaming usually stopped.
The Iran scenarios were a little less straight forward. At the time it was generally assumed that Iran did not have nuclear weapons, but were actively pursueing them. Now I cannot speak for the current state of affairs but at the time the US had pretty good intel on what the warmaking capabilities of Iran were.
One of the consistant tactics used by Iran would be to either mine the Straits of Hormuz, or purposefully sink large freighters in the navigable channels to cut the Persian Gulf off.
Another tactic is to utilize small fast attack speedboats (basically Boston Whalers with machine guns and RPGs) to attack shipping in swarms (both military and civilian)
The main problem the US will have is that since the mid-90s we have not had the manpower to support a two front war effectively (Thank you BRAC). Now, there is the idea that the troops in Iraq are staged to move right into Iran should they be needed. There are several problems with this scenario: 1) the troops in-country are battle worn. 2) If they jump from Iraq into Iran, it is very plausible that Iraq could collapse into chaos behind them and they would then find themselves surrounded.
Now, Iran is really going out if its way to flip the bird to the rest of the world, so it's possible that the US would have alot more support for shutting down Iran than it did for Iraq, but there's no guarantee of that.
Also, Russia and China tend to be aligning themselves with Iran. This is VERY bad news, since any aggression towards Iran would result in a conflict at the very least backed by Russia/China and at worst with them actively participating. Instigation of this would be a violation of the first rule of combat (NEVER COMMIT TROOPS TO A LAND WAR IN ASIA!!!!)
I would hope that this can be resolved diplomatically, but that is unlikely since both sides believe themselves to have God on their side and neither is willing to budge on any issue.
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Lefen
I think Clavis wins my heart <3  SSHOLEPosts: 901 Registered: 9/16/2003 Offline
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4/6/2006 at 14:42  |
(UK) Government in secret talks about strike against Iran [via]
"It is believed that an American-led attack, designed to destroy Iran's ability to develop a nuclear bomb, is "inevitable" if Teheran's leaders fail to comply with United Nations demands to freeze their uranium enrichment programme..."
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apresx
Tender vittles  Posts: 1 Registered: 4/6/2006 Offline
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4/6/2006 at 15:44 |
I gotta wonder where the f**k is the government going to get their money from...
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4/6/2006 at 16:00 |
apresx: I gotta wonder where the f**k is the government going to get their money from...
"Imagine me and you
and you and me..."
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Lefen
I think Clavis wins my heart <3 SSHOLEPosts: 901 Registered: 9/16/2003 Offline
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4/6/2006 at 16:01 |
apresx: I gotta wonder where the f**k is the government going to get their money from...
OIL, BABY!
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acheron
Cynical_Malcontent  SSHOLEPosts: 562 Registered: 4/29/2004 Offline
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4/6/2006 at 16:03 |
War in Iran isn't going to happen, unless Iran attacks someone, so lets not worry about it. Our troops certainly aren't fighting Iran's. That would be stupid.
I gotta wonder where the f**k is the government going to get their money from...
Us? That usually works.
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Wrecker
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4/6/2006 at 17:13 |
AcheronDCS: War in Iran isn't going to happen, unless Iran attacks someone, so lets not worry about it. Our troops certainly aren't fighting Iran's. That would be stupid.
Just because its stupid doesn't stop people from doing something. If it did we wouldn't have internet video.
I think a more likely scenario would have Iran provoking someone else into attacking them (U.S., Israel, ???) then use that as means to escalate. The US is already following a policy of pre-emptive action. Iran currently appears to be doing everything in it's power to poke the US with a stick, through public statements and the performance of these wargames.
The problem is that NOW the US public is going to be wary of supporting the use of military action in Iran after all the shit that has gone down in Iraq, when Iran was ALWAYS the larger threat and may have actually been kept in check by the fact that Sadaam is a madman.
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Lefen
I think Clavis wins my heart <3 SSHOLEPosts: 901 Registered: 9/16/2003 Offline
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4/6/2006 at 18:01 |
Indeed. Don't forget the West armed Saddam in the 80's precicely so he could go after Iran.
As for now, I don't believe that the US/UK will go into Iran without UN support, so they're going to have to turn up a legit smoking gun before any fightin' can happen. |
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dinozoa
SENATOR BABYHEAD  Posts: 319 Registered: 7/18/2004 Offline
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4/6/2006 at 18:13 |
I think Wrecker's right that Iraq was probably the biggest threat to Iran pre-Iraqi war 2. Also, I think this is a case of the media building a case for war. Having a lot of fancy missiles and shit means they probably spend around a millionth of what we spend on fancy missiles and shit. Also, they are playing by almost all the rules in the UN.
What I see as somewhat more likely is Iran preparing to invade Iraq after we leave, which is something we can't do anything about.
Lest you forget, for all the military strategy talk going around, Iran would be effectively fucked by the first US air strike Shock and Awe thing, so I don't think they will attack or anything until they are sure they won't be bombed into another Iraq, and be forced to fight the Americans with IEDs and shit.
Lastly, the thing about China and Russia coming to Iran's aid is bullshit. Russia doesn't have anything it can do other than give them some money or outdated military equipment. China as well couldn't provide any actual support, and I've seen no evidence anywhere that China likes Iran. I could see China trying to work it somehow so that the US gives up Taiwan, for Iran.
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Uart
DARTH MENSES  Posts: 1228 Registered: 3/5/2005 Offline
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4/6/2006 at 19:41 |
Wrecker: former military secrets revealed.
Way to murder your security clearance dude.
As for the US invading Iran, I don't think it will happen. We'd have to abandon Afghanistan, which would look bad, or pull the troops from Iraq to cross the border -- and the UK is tapped for resources too. Nobody else will commit serious troops/resources to this sort of an effort without provocation (Iran would have to nuke someone).
We can't have a draft. The only place where middle eastern warfare is more unpopular than America among the voters is Britain, and they won't draft either. Its impossible. |
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Wrecker
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4/6/2006 at 20:38 |
Uart: Wrecker: former military secrets revealed.
Way to murder your security clearance dude.
At no point did I disclose anything that had not been declassified. Everything I stated is freely available through unclassified sources and sheer common sense.
Now if I had gone into things like specific capabilities, you would have a valid point.
My security clearance has lapsed, but that doesn't mean I'm going to start exposing secrets. I'm not a complete idiot.
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dinozoa
SENATOR BABYHEAD Posts: 319 Registered: 7/18/2004 Offline
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4/6/2006 at 21:11 |
Oh c'mon, it's the internet, it's anonymous, probably. Just expose one secret, for me?
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Wrecker
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4/6/2006 at 21:32 |
Ok, but don't tell anyone else.
CENSORED
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jwalker
Token Discordian  SSHOLEPosts: 955 Registered: 8/6/2005 Offline
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4/6/2006 at 22:50 |
It could happen.
There's no doubt in my mind that the Bush administation would do it if they could get away with it. The rhetoric coming out of the capitol is similar to the ramp-up to Iraq. There are US forces surrounding the country, and Iran has a hot-head just daring the US to do something.
If there are some smaller incidents, and Iran pulls out of the nuke treaty, we could easily see a strong agenda for war against Iran, including all the talk of spreading democracy.
But - given the way Iraq has been handled, and how a lot of people feel they were duped into Iraq, and lack of support from other countries, I am hoping the US populace will not support the effort.
But shouldn't something be done to contain Iran? Maybe this will be the impetus to revert to diplomatic initiatives with genuine multinational support, like what should have been done with Iraq. Maybe the new president after Bush is impeached will have more sense.
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Mofo
dont give a shit  SSHOLEPosts: 437 Registered: 2/8/2004 Offline
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4/6/2006 at 23:10 |
I doubt the US would commit actual troops. Iran could develop all the missiles they want, but if they fire one, the air force is going to crush everything in sight, because there is no force in the world capable of stopping the USAF.
If ground troops were committed, I'd expect Israel. And if anyone is going to attack Iran, I'd expect Israel. |
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acheron
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4/6/2006 at 23:20 |
But - given the way Iraq has been handled, and how a lot of people feel they were duped into Iraq, and lack of support from other countries, I am hoping the US populace will not support the effort.
I agree, I don't think even 30% of the US population will go for it. A land war is implausible. Plus if the admin bombs them they can attack us in Iraq and I don't think they are willing to risk it. Now Israel could attack them, but that poses the same problems that all risk of confrontation with Iran pose: tripling (or more) the price of oil, and destablizing the whole middle east.
Regardless of any "smoking gun" I think any kind of action against Iran would be extremely sticky, and more than likely they will just get a nuclear weapon and that will be that.
I can forsee under the table support for a revolution in Iran (sound farmiliar) but outright military action is so dangerous I doubt anyone's going to try it.
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DARTH MENSES  Posts: 431 Registered: 10/31/2003 Offline
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4/7/2006 at 08:10 |
In about two hours, we fire off another test nuke (MinuteMan III), but this one is going to Guam instead of the usual spot in the Marshall Islands so our friends in N Korea and the Phillipines can watch. This is the first I've seen go there, and just days after the need for more and better nukes is announced, along with the growing threats of NK and Iran.
Rattlin' the Sabre....
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Wrecker
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4/9/2006 at 14:41 |
And now this...
Bush 'is planning nuclear strikes on Iran's secret sites'
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acheron
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4/9/2006 at 22:26 |
From what I heard, several top military heads are threatening to resign over this. Bush doesn't have the political capital left to do this, but he might not care. This is the epitome of the "madman" theory. Everyone thinks the US is out of control. Anyway, if he wants to nuke Iran, you can just kiss any remaining good will left towards the US down the drain for any remaining time any of us have on the planet.
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dinozoa
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4/9/2006 at 23:07 |
regarding wrecker's link:
If Seymour Hersh says it, it's true. That guy is money.
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Mofo
dont give a shit SSHOLEPosts: 437 Registered: 2/8/2004 Offline
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4/10/2006 at 02:02 |
One of Ronald Reagan's most successful techniques in dealing with the USSR was acting like a crazy cowboy ready to blow the fuck out of everything with a lot of nukes. |
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Steel
If you want to keep your tongue, don't lick me in the Winter! SSHOLEPosts: 512 Registered: 10/14/2004 Offline
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4/18/2006 at 12:56 |
President of Iran, puts on a giant Parade and says to his army and the world:
"Today, you are among the world's most powerful armies because you rely on God.
Iran's enemies know your courage, faith and commitment to Islam and the land of Iran has created a powerful army that can powerfully defend the political borders and the integrity of the Iranian nation and cut the hand of any aggressor and place the sign of disgrace on their forehead.
The power of our army will be no threat to any country. Our army carries the message of peace and security. . . . It is humble toward friends and a shooting star toward enemies." |
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Wrecker
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4/20/2006 at 16:05 |
dinozoa: Lastly, the thing about China and Russia coming to Iran's aid is bullshit. Russia doesn't have anything it can do other than give them some money or outdated military equipment.
Russia will deliver air defense systems to Iran
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Sachsenpaule
SENATOR BABYHEAD Posts: 165 Registered: 11/16/2003 Offline
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4/24/2006 at 09:03 |
Ah, Politics,
Beautiful how things have changed.
By the way: can anybody open http://www.gov.ir/?
Well, i think i just add some statistics:
COMPARISION
population:
Iraq: 26,783,383
Iran: 68,688,433
Oil Exports:
Iraq: 1.42 million bbl/day
Iran: 2.5 million bbl/day
Internet users:
Iraq: 36,000
Iran: 7.5 million
Military Manpower:
Iraq: 5,870,640
Iran: 35,860,582 (half man, half woman)
By the way, fuck oil:
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Wrecker
Misanthrope SSHOLEPosts: 460 Registered: 1/25/2006 Offline
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4/27/2006 at 14:54 |
And now this,
Iran has missiles that put Europe in range
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Wrecker
Misanthrope SSHOLEPosts: 460 Registered: 1/25/2006 Offline
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5/2/2006 at 13:23 |
Iran vows to target Israel first, if US does anything "evil"
If that's not sabre rattling, I don't know what is. I read this as an open excuse for Iran to attack Israel for any reason whatsoever.
The bigger question here is this: Is the United States REALLY willing to go to war over Israel?
I mean we talk a good game, just like on the topic of Taiwan, but are we REALLY seriously that dedicated to these countries? Honestly, I hope not. And not because we should be afraid of Iran, but because it was exactly stupid alliances like this that brought on the quick escalation of WWI.
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