DonQuixote
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3/4/2006 at 04:08 |
All,
I recently got a license for the medicinal use of Cannabis under the Compassionate use Act in Cali. Severe anxiety disorder and just plain tired of taking new RX after new RX trying to weigh side effects vs the good. I'll try anything once.
I can posses it and smoke it. But I don't know anything about herb!! I smoked some hash in highschool but that was it like only a handfull of times.
In all honesty I'm a afraid of smoking weed while also taking Zoloft and having some Clonazepam in my blood left over from this morning.
Anyone know anything about mixing SSRI's and Cannabis? Any with experience?
BTW- I went to this "dispensary" that is right in west hollywood!! With a huge sign that says Medical Marijuana Pharmacy on a BIG sign out front. It was weird cause its all legal.
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geazerpleazer
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3/4/2006 at 04:17 |
don't smoke ze seeds! They give me headaches. Maybe thats just me.
edit: ummm, like guitarjon said, i don't smoke the weed, i read a book about smoking weed and i will never ever touch weed.
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JohnLenin
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3/4/2006 at 04:42 |
Here's how to judge your 'product':
Look at it in some strong light. It should look healthy, a nice green color. If its brown, turn it down. Look even closer, you'll see small reflective crystals, the more of those the better (people often judge by hairs, going by crystals is way better). Dont smoke seeds, dont smoke stems, and if you can, invest in a nice "water tobacco pipe" with an ice catcher and a diffuser (your lungs will thank you).
-disclaimer- To any feds reading this: the info included above was found from a book and I do not advocate smoking marijuana.- 
On 2006-03-03 at 22:44:50, guitarjon123 enjoyed furrysex
( seeds and stems produce harsh smoke that is not going to help your experience very much. They are known to cause headaches and other buzzkills)
(also note: smoking pot will probably get rid of most headaches)
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3/4/2006 at 04:46 |
For what it's worth:
Insanity: Its Classification, Diagnosis and Treatment, a Manual for Students and Practitioners of Medicine, by E.C. Spitzka, M.D. (Bermingham & Co. 1883):
Cannibus Indica, in large doses given at intervals of two or three days, sometimes has an excellent affect on depressed states, and its influence in some cases is rapid and strikingly manifest. In a case of folie du doute its influence seemed to mark the turning point in the favorably terminating history of the case.
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3/4/2006 at 04:57 |
DonQuixote: Anyone know anything about mixing SSRI's and Cannabis?
I don't see any specific contraindications.
Light up and report back.
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3/4/2006 at 05:34 |
Good weed can cause panic attacks with some people.
Have fun!!
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wolfer
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3/4/2006 at 05:34 |
Ask The Beachgoat, I think he may have some answers for you on this one. Just smoke it dude. If you are buying it at pot shops its good stuff. If you are buying it from Juan on the corner its not good.
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3/4/2006 at 07:04 |
If ANYTHING you buy or see has seeds in it in the firstplace, dont fucking buy/smoke it. You live in CA for fucks sake and deserve what this lovely state has to offer.
On the SSRI note, there are no studies that have been performed on SSRIs and the herb. Selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors work by doing just what the name says. And i can gaurantee that herb affects your seretonin levels. Ive EVERY FUCKING doctor or shrink ive talked to(lots) have said the same damn thing about this subject. That smoking weed and/or drinking while taking antidepressants(SSRIs, duh) reduces or eliminates their theraputic value.
BTW, anxiety disorder? Dude, take a toke of that skunk#2Xmankoosa thunderfuck sold at your local dispensary to really find out what a panic attack is. WOOT!!!
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IMBOLCPunxsutawneyPhil
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3/4/2006 at 14:24 |
A) vaporize it.
You don't need additional combustion byproducts, and you won't be coughing up a lung in a week as your body tries to fight back the tar.
B) understand your limits.
Like anything you can have too much oompaloompa thunderfuck and might get a panic attack because you have never felt so outta control. Sure it's bliss, but it's like getting too much.
[disclaimer, I don't really know how that feels due to the THC, but I have seen the effects on others first hand, they do get all freaky but calm down in a few hours]
C) take it easy. In small doses. [see B].
This is something you will/do build a natural physchological resistance to--so don't go overboard because then you will be chronic junky [a junkie of the chronic, not the other way around]...
And marijuana additiction is like chocolate/sex/furby additction, it's all in your head and your body does'nt give a shit , but your brain sure likes the candy.
Oh on the SSRIs, it should be interesting, you may want to cut down on doses if you feel really odd or you may want to cut down on the weed...
I say experiment with the "mellow" throttle that weed will give you. If you wake up one day with white-boy dreadlocks, a big fat black girlfriend and a shack on the beach, you may have gone too far.
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JohnLenin
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3/4/2006 at 16:05 |
If you're going to get a vaporizer, don't cheap out. A good vape requires precise heating (creating a steam vapor instead of smoke) that good units automatically adjust to, cheap units just burn and make baby jesus cry.
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Acidburn
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3/4/2006 at 17:55 |
Toke it out man toke it out.
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More bad advice and misinformation. |
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acheron
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3/4/2006 at 22:35 |
Anyone know anything about mixing SSRI's and Cannabis? Any with experience?
Yes. Lots. I was smoking daily my junior and senior year and was also on some SSRI's and clonazepam. Pot, in my expierience blew away whatever kind of psychological state the medication had on me. I don't think that it can chemically counteract (of course I know nothing about this, so I probably shouldn't say it) antidepressants. I once had a psychologist tell me that it essentially counteract the medication I was on, but I don't think he knew what he was talking about as I've had others tell me the opposite.
If you are anxiety prone (I am) you will probably have some kind of nervous anxiety-attack like thing on pot at some point. I've had several, usually linked to social anxiety, that have been very unpleasant. Clonazepam and weed, however. Divine. Cuts the anxiety producing agents right out. And yeah, watch your amounts.
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3/4/2006 at 22:57 |
AcheronDCS: If you are anxiety prone (I am) you will probably have some kind of nervous anxiety-attack like thing on pot at some point. I've had several, usually linked to social anxiety, that have been very unpleasant.
Yeah, those are great, aren't they? Weed was always probably my least favorite recreational drug, but when the spastic panic attacks hit, that was when I signed off.
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middle_age_man
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3/4/2006 at 23:45 |
How is pot going to help you long term? Once the buzz wears off what happens? Is this treatment supposed to turn you into a chronic that doesn't give a fuck about anything?
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acheron
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3/5/2006 at 00:20 |
I have known extremely productive, not to mention intelligent, people who smoke weed often. The effects vary from person to person, some people will become lethargic dicks on weed but longterm, I suspect people that burn out on pot were going to burn out anyway. When I get high I feel the need to write, listen to music, clean, and work out. Its therapeutic. But can we please not let this thread go down the road of defense of marijuana conversation ultimately desentegrating into discussions on drug legalization? Lets not.
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IMBOLCPunxsutawneyPhil
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3/5/2006 at 00:53 |
Nothing about that!
First of all understand that the demon weed impacts and effects differently depending on what your mental fuck-state is.
Seconds, understand that while illegal, the quality varies from superfine nugs of goodness to ditch weed/oregano/yard clippings...
phsyicians and other pharmaceutical types rarely get the dosage right the first, second or 432nd time, they guess at it and depend on feedback from the patient. Realize that you will be self-medicating.
What does that mean?
It means that you need to have a measure of discipline and self control. Case in point, masturbation, surely by now [let's say a decade after you first discovered rubbing your wee wee or pooty poo made you feel good] you don't grab it at the first convienent moment. As a pervert you might just not be able to let go, as a frigid nun, you might never touch the thing even if you need to--somewhere on that bell curve of goodness lies your destiny--recognize it.
I have had way too much and admitedly, way too little... there is a measure of self control that requires me not to indulge before work [waste of a good time] and when I feel low it might make me happy, it might make me worse--I know who I am dealing with and I know what I am getting into or out of--always!
I am the worst source of advice for narco-happy-medicationess, because I don't need it. Not a damn bit of it goes into antything other than the category I assign to booze and sex and warm feet on a cold day, it's pure hedonistic pleasurea and it is meted out by a judicious environmental policy of "do I have any?" and "do I feel like it?"...
Pot, weed, smoke, herb, 420, mary jane, colas, etc. is simply a tool for relaxation like a cold beer that is not physically addictive. You shouldn't do it in certain circumstances. Those circumstances vary given your environmental protocols and other factors dependent on how you choose to live your life.
Best advice: Relax.
Second best: Once relaxed, give it a try, feel the space around you that you have created. If you don't like it realize that you have the power to change it and never ever become overwhelmed! Get angry instead of scared--and I have to tell you it's fucking impossible to be angry on weed.
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3/5/2006 at 15:03 |
Dude it's just weed. Bale one, smoke it, if you like it = repeat. If you don't like it = sale for a profit.
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DonQuixote
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3/6/2006 at 08:08 |
Don Quixote reporting here.
Medical cannabis and Zoloft and Clonazepam do not really seem to have any bad interacction. The Cannabis-Indica that I purchased is EXTREMELY relaxing. And it doesn't smell all skunky. It smells like mint and skunk. Its pretty premium from what my buddy told me.
Anyhew, the point is to use it in place of clonazepam. Benzo's are just so addicting and you have to keep upping the dose to get the same effect. Using it for General Anxiety on a daily basis is bad.
Results so far, its mankes me giggly like a school girl and sleepy. No munchies. 2 little pufs were more than plenty. I don't think I could walk if I had more than that at one time. No panic attacks so far. In fact I think that it has abated a few.
For someone with a panic disorder losing "control" can be a bad bad feeling. But becuase I take it in a controlled environment and I really am only using it as a medication I don't feel afraid. And any panic that might occur this stuff just squashes.
So far so good.
Will keep you updated.
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3/6/2006 at 16:53 |
i would make it a point to stay in a controlled environment, as well.
i haven't used much, but i once went bowling after smoking up. it was interesting, but probably not at all your bag.
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3/6/2006 at 19:47 |
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3/6/2006 at 21:54 |
I used to smoke weed all day, everyday since highschool until I was about 27. I woke up one day, toked up like I normally do and had a panick attack-ish thing. That night, I tried it again, same shit, panick attack-ish feelings. For two years, I've tried to take a drag here and there and I get sick everytime. I miss the weed, but looks like I can never enjoy it again.
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DonQuixote
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3/7/2006 at 00:56 |
New update,
The aftermath is both great and crappy (literally). I feel happy or more at ease the morning after. However, because both Cannabis and Zoloft deal with seratonin there seems to be a small problem with a little case of the squirts each morning after. Many people have this reaction as a side effect of stpping an SSRI or even starting one. There are several seratonin receptors in the gut and playing with the levels down there can apparently make you all slidin into third and feelin a juicy turd.
As far as how I feel while the medication is active...I'm on the fence. I can't tell if the lower doses of clonazepam are making me awake and all talky talky, or if I have some barriers to break before I am completely comfortable with this idea.
I have set up a dosage and a schedule. I will give it a try for two weeks (much like when you first start any med) and then decide. Either way I have something to frame for my mom. My first medical license!!!
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IMBOLCPunxsutawneyPhil
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3/7/2006 at 02:52 |
ever try eating more fiber?
[twigs and stems!]
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3/7/2006 at 04:49 |
Don,
Do you wake up expecting to be HAPPIES?
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3/7/2006 at 06:00 |
dent: I used to smoke weed all day, everyday since highschool until I was about 27. I woke up one day, toked up like I normally do and had a panick attack-ish thing. That night, I tried it again, same shit, panick attack-ish feelings. For two years, I've tried to take a drag here and there and I get sick everytime. I miss the weed, but looks like I can never enjoy it again.
Similar story here - a total pothead, then suddenly I just didn't enjoy it so stopped for about five years. The last couple of years I developed a taste for it again.
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3/7/2006 at 09:14 |
magicchex: i recently got a license to kick your ass
ahhhh, ha ha, that is poetry.
dent: I used to smoke weed all day, everyday since highschool until I was about 27. I woke up one day, toked up like I normally do and had a panick attack-ish thing. That night, I tried it again, same shit, panick attack-ish feelings. For two years, I've tried to take a drag here and there and I get sick everytime. I miss the weed, but looks like I can never enjoy it again.
You know...i had the same kinda thing. I smoked, daily since 13(too young) till last march. The last few years when i got high, id have these nasty anxiety attacks...every damn time. I found that if i stayed loaded duce four seven than I never got em. Maybe it was the shock of going 'sober' to stoney so quickly. I dunno and I dont really care. But SFW might.
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3/10/2006 at 02:29 |
We've forgotten something very important here. If you do happen to find a stray seed in your stash, pinch it between your thumb and forefinger to make sure it is good, and then carry it with you for luck. When you find an opportunity, such as a hotel lobby with lots of potted plants for example, gently poke it into the soil a few inches, cover it over, and spit on it once to get it started. (It's a shame to waste good seeds.)
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3/10/2006 at 20:13 |
Take a good quality vit. B complex, time released.
You may want to read 'The Eden Express' by mark vonnegut. Who went through it.
A diet of natural foods, no caffiene, exercise, yoga, meditation etc.
will help a great deal. Give it a chance for awhile and see for yourself.
As for the pot.
Try frying it in oil, med heat, till it is brown, use a good amount of oil, and one that can take heat like peanut or grapeseed.
Eat some when it cools down. The amount depends on how strong it is, and your tolerance level. Experiement, but err on the side of not too much.
This is (i believe)a better way to take it. Effects last much longer, with out a big 'spike' - it's more gradual and long term.
Whilst under it's charms, do physical things, like working out, yoga etc. or meditate. Also do creative things.
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