DonQuixote
DARTH MENSES  Posts: 641 Registered: 4/22/2005 Offline
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11/9/2005 at 20:24  |
All,
I was just wondering if it was possible to have a system with all open source/free programs AND still have the user friendly and operability that come with windows standardization.
I know UNIX or LINUX is pretty much the standard, but they aren't very user friendly and the learning curve is very SHARP right?
See I got this idea from the OPENCD project. Link HERE. It has pretty much everything you need to have a useable system without using PAY software, cept for an OS. So I started to think. What if I bought a crappy laptop and only installed free/opensource software?
What OS would I use? Would that OS be able to run some windows based free programs, like Sygate Personal Firewall or Spybot or HTFireman? What programs would I need in order to be able to connect to the net? Is it possible to have that windows or MAC OSX feel/point and click stupid proofish system? Is there a basic OS out there that is free that is pretty much a windows clone that will run windows freeware? Would Knoppix be a good solution? Or LInspire?
These are all questions that I have about my dream system. I don't want to have to do much programing to get it to run without a hitch. See I want to bundle everything (like TheOpenCD project) so that anyone could DL the bundle and install the OS then all the apps and have a completely free system (cept for the actual hardware but the $100 laptop project should cut the costs on that). I know that sub300 already sells systems with NO WINDOWS software running, but I just want to bundle the free software not sell anything. So if someone bought a used pc they could just erase the HD and install this dream bundle.
THE REASON - My girlfriends family is very poor and they have the shittiest Winows 98 system that crashes like everyother day. But they can't afford a new computer much less all the software that would have to be purchased to run it. So I wanted to create this full system that runs on all free software (NOT WAREZ). Its just a dream and I'm VERY sure many many many people have had this dream, but I thought I's pick your 1337 brains.
I know I sound like an idiot to all you computer literate folks and I may be dreaming of something that already exists. I don't even know what a UNIX or LINUX screen shot looks like! So I already understand that I am a fucktard/loser/etc etc. You can post that if you like but I'd prefer real input.
Xmas is coming up and I'd like to suprise my gal's family with this.
Um, I guess that's it.
thx
SFW
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DonQuixote
DARTH MENSES Posts: 641 Registered: 4/22/2005 Offline
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11/9/2005 at 20:33 |
I was just looking at Linspire and A. its not free and B. They are basically charging you for alot of stuff that is free like OpenOffice.
Also that site that sells the NO WINDOWS computers is pretty pricey for a poor person. Like they have an extra grand sitting around for a very very basic laptop. So that's not so good either.
just adding on to the original.
thx
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11/9/2005 at 20:36  |
Shut up, Uart.
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qwerty
DARTH MENSES  Posts: 628 Registered: 9/8/2004 Offline
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11/9/2005 at 20:37 |
uh..
whut about linux? It's s0rta kinda the only free os that has all the apps you need to run with.
Ubuntu or Gentoo are pretty user friendly distros.
Open Office is free word pad plus spreadsheet t00l.
firef0x has linux equiv s0 you can read pr0n.
K3b makes CD burning easy
Whut else do you need it to do?
[Edited on 9/11/2005 by qwerty]
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sunny77
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11/9/2005 at 20:39 |
Shut up, Uart
i second that.
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mundhra
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11/9/2005 at 20:56 |
dude, you make my fucking head hurt.
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11/9/2005 at 21:11 |
Download knoppix, burn it to a CD amd pop it in the PC. If will let you see what most linux distros will look like, WITHOUT installing anything - the whole thing runs off a CD. If you like it then try a linux install.
http://www.knoppix.org/
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vasudeva
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11/9/2005 at 21:16 |
Maybe you'd have liked BeOS back a few years ago. I cannot vouch for Yellowtab, but since you enjoy tilting at windmills, maybe you can check that out and report your findings.
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DonQuixote
DARTH MENSES Posts: 641 Registered: 4/22/2005 Offline
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11/9/2005 at 22:58 |
vasudeva: Maybe you'd have liked BeOS back a few years ago. I cannot vouch for Yellowtab, but since you enjoy tilting at windmills, maybe you can check that out and report your findings.
Ah Ha. Now Vas finally gets it/me!!1111!!!!1111 I am quite the contrivance of Cervantes. I'll fight any fucking windmill anyday. It keeps me sane. thx
I'll give Yellow Tail a check.
Also, I just DL'd Mandriva '06 and will report back on that. There's a free version for DL and distrib. The screenshots look nice!
I'll also try the knoppix thing. to get the feel for it.
On andother note. I don't understand the "Shut Up UART." Posts. Cause I didn't see any posts by UART when I checked back on this page.
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11/9/2005 at 23:27 |
On andother note. I don't understand the "Shut Up UART." Posts. Cause I didn't see any posts by UART
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vasudeva
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11/9/2005 at 23:30 |
sofickingwat: vasudeva: Maybe you'd have liked BeOS back a few years ago. I cannot vouch for Yellowtab, but since you enjoy tilting at windmills, maybe you can check that out and report your findings.
Ah Ha. Now Vas finally gets it/me!!1111!!!!1111 I am quite the contrivance of Cervantes. I'll fight any fucking windmill anyday. It keeps me sane. thx
In all fairness, this is how you learn. It's how I learned, anyway. That's why I give you shit for being an idiot (because you often are) but I don't tell you to give up (because you shouldn't). Your perseverance is admirable. Some of the shit you're interested in surprises me and I suspect you'll have your very own e-penis someday. (It will still be dwarfed by my own extremely massive e-penis.)
I'll give Yellow Tail a check.
Yellow Tab. (Idiot.)
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DonQuixote
DARTH MENSES Posts: 641 Registered: 4/22/2005 Offline
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11/9/2005 at 23:43 |
vasudeva: sofickingwat: vasudeva: Maybe you'd have liked BeOS back a few years ago. I cannot vouch for Yellowtab, but since you enjoy tilting at windmills, maybe you can check that out and report your findings.
Ah Ha. Now Vas finally gets it/me!!1111!!!!1111 I am quite the contrivance of Cervantes. I'll fight any fucking windmill anyday. It keeps me sane. thx
In all fairness, this is how you learn. It's how I learned, anyway. That's why I give you shit for being an idiot (because you often are) but I don't tell you to give up (because you shouldn't). Your perseverance is admirable. Some of the shit you're interested in surprises me and I suspect you'll have your very own e-penis someday. (It will still be dwarfed by my own extremely massive e-penis.)
I'll give Yellow Tail a check.
Yellow Tab. (Idiot.)
Sorry YellowTab. They actually created Zeta which is the Linux OS. You can DL a version that will boot from the CD. I'm gonna try it.
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mundhra
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11/10/2005 at 22:39 |
I was just wondering if it was possible to have a system with all open source/free programs AND still have the user friendly and operability that come with windows standardization.
you should stop thinking in terms of black/white and more in shades of grey. linux has come far in terms of 'easiness'. i've heard lots of good things about ubuntu, suse, and mepis. out of those three i've only tried ubuntu, and didn't do much with it, but it seems pretty solid.
I know UNIX or LINUX is pretty much the standard, but they aren't very user friendly and the learning curve is very SHARP right?
depends. how easy is it to learn windows if you don't know it? i suspect the levels of effort are very similar. the only difference is that people expect to learn linux more quickly.
What if I bought a crappy laptop and only installed free/opensource software?
experimenting on a spare machine is always a good idea.
Would that OS be able to run some windows based free programs, like Sygate Personal Firewall or Spybot or HTFireman?
unless its windows, no, probably not. however, maybe you can use something else that's native to that OS? no?
Is there a basic OS out there that is free that is pretty much a windows clone that will run windows freeware?
not that i know of
I don't want to have to do much programing to get it to run without a hitch.
you shouldn't have to (unless you want to). configuration? well, that's entirely different.
*pro tip: google is your friend.
See I want to bundle everything...
like tons of other people who've created their own linux distro? why bother doing work that's already been done?
definitely check out knoppix, as you don't have to affect anything to mess around with linux. good luck and have fun.
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DonQuixote
DARTH MENSES Posts: 641 Registered: 4/22/2005 Offline
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11/11/2005 at 00:54 |
mundhra: I was just wondering if it was possible to have a system with all open source/free programs AND still have the user friendly and operability that come with windows standardization.
you should stop thinking in terms of black/white and more in shades of grey. linux has come far in terms of 'easiness'. i've heard lots of good things about ubuntu, suse, and mepis. out of those three i've only tried ubuntu, and didn't do much with it, but it seems pretty solid.
I know UNIX or LINUX is pretty much the standard, but they aren't very user friendly and the learning curve is very SHARP right?
depends. how easy is it to learn windows if you don't know it? i suspect the levels of effort are very similar. the only difference is that people expect to learn linux more quickly.
What if I bought a crappy laptop and only installed free/opensource software?
experimenting on a spare machine is always a good idea.
Would that OS be able to run some windows based free programs, like Sygate Personal Firewall or Spybot or HTFireman?
unless its windows, no, probably not. however, maybe you can use something else that's native to that OS? no?
Is there a basic OS out there that is free that is pretty much a windows clone that will run windows freeware?
not that i know of
I don't want to have to do much programing to get it to run without a hitch.
you shouldn't have to (unless you want to). configuration? well, that's entirely different.
*pro tip: google is your friend.
See I want to bundle everything...
like tons of other people who've created their own linux distro? why bother doing work that's already been done?
definitely check out knoppix, as you don't have to affect anything to mess around with linux. good luck and have fun.
Wow!! You have actually managed to give me some feedback without completely assaulting my fucktardiness.
So is there a bundle of free software with all the tools you'll need? Like openoffice, Gimp, some sort of net connecting dealy (very technical term), A firewall/anitvirus/antispyware/antirootkit thingy, firefox's linux version, WINE (thats the thing that ports windows stuff if you really need it right?), and some other stuff that I can't think of?
Don't say it...Google is my friend.
I shall Tilt on my fellow swarmer!!! Tilt on till glory!!!
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DARTH MENSES Posts: 641 Registered: 4/22/2005 Offline
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11/11/2005 at 02:40 |
Guess whos looking at LS from a knoppix CD boot!??!!!?!?!
Its pretty nice. I like all the functionality. I think I will install mandriva on an extra tower I have and see what I can cook up.
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DARTH MENSES Posts: 641 Registered: 4/22/2005 Offline
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11/12/2005 at 00:49 |
sofickingwat: Guess whos looking at LS from a knoppix CD boot!??!!!?!?!
Its pretty nice. I like all the functionality. I think I will install mandriva on an extra tower I have and see what I can cook up.
Report -
Knoppix is great cause you can runn it from a CD and it has all the OpenSource apps that you would need at the most basic.
Mandriva - Amazing Install!! Really robust and trys to configure for everything you have, printer, internet, cd-burner, etc etc. Can't report on operability cause I intalled it on an extra hard drive in my PC and I forgot that the jumpers are set so the drive is a slave. heh heh oops. So once I reset the jumpers I'll report beack on the operability. But I do know it comes with ALOT of apps and server programms.
Zeta 1.1 (made by YellowTab)- The LiveCD (their version of knoppix boot cd) doesn't boot. No matter what. Plus everything is in German. Not a horrible thing but my German is limited to "where is the bathroom" and "how much for this". Can't report on operability.
After Mandriva I will test out Ubuntoo (SP?) and Gentoo. Unless mandriva is exactly what I'm looking for. Only problems I can see afore with Mandriva are...That in order to get updates an shit you are supposed to join their club and give money. And tech help will cost if you are not part of their club. Basically, you are on your own because you are not part of their club. But honestly, I have never called Microsoft or any helpdesk. On the other hand, I'm a n00b to linux so I may have to hit someone up for as "WTF is wrong". I'm sure Google has all the answers.
Fight On
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11/12/2005 at 00:58 |
sofickingwat:
After Mandriva I will test out Ubuntoo (SP?) and Gentoo.
Stay away from those, especially Gentoo. Their installation is very non-trivial, even for a rough-hewn CS vet, and it literally takes days to set up Gentoo properly.
I would instead recommend Suse 10.0 (www.opensuse.org). Mandrive, while very good, still has ways to go until reaching the features of SuSE with the KDE window manager.
SuSE also comes with a LiveCD, I believe.
Another alternative is Fedora Core 4 by RedHat.
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11/13/2005 at 02:25 |
Is there a basic OS out there that is free that is pretty much a windows clone that will run windows freeware?
This has been bugging me ever since and I finally realized why. There technically is a freeware Windows clone. It's ugly and it's pre-alpha but it's the closest thing I know of.
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DARTH MENSES Posts: 641 Registered: 4/22/2005 Offline
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11/14/2005 at 18:58 |
vasudeva: Is there a basic OS out there that is free that is pretty much a windows clone that will run windows freeware?
This has been bugging me ever since and I finally realized why. There technically is a freeware Windows clone. It's ugly and it's pre-alpha but it's the closest thing I know of.
This is teh AWESOME. I hven't tested it cause I totally fuxxored my extra PC.
The Windows XP Pro is all fucked up. I mean I can run normal shit but when i try and do "Computer Management" and any other somewhat higher functions I get a Dos window for a few seconds then nothing. So I can't reformat the part with the mandriva on it or boot to mandriva!!!
I am trying to do a repair install but I don't have the admin pass for this one cause its a left ovver from my brother. I dl's the 6 floppy boot from Microsoft and I need the password for the system on my C: drive. I tried running some progs to change it but nothing werked. I will have to do a regedit and take ownership of the system and make my own pass. Fuck I wish I had an XP cd!! This was one of the first Dell's to deliver sans disk cause o piracy an shit. So I have no XP CD.
Anyways, if you have any ideas on how to fix my PC that would be much appreciated. I guess I could just install mandriva over the whole HD but I don't want to lose a bunch of data on that PC plus I still want Windows on there soz I kin fuck around widit.
PEACE
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DARTH MENSES Posts: 641 Registered: 4/22/2005 Offline
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11/14/2005 at 22:52 |
If you want support you need to buy suse. I'm not down with that. Any open source OS that is Linux should be trying to set information free not capitalize on it in any way. I know that's way altruistic, but its what I'm looking for in a program.
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DARTH MENSES Posts: 641 Registered: 4/22/2005 Offline
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11/15/2005 at 00:55 |
Report!!!!!
The ReactOS (windows clone that VAS mentioned) live CD runs but the program is so slow I can't imagine it being usefull for another couple of years.
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