pumpkinass_69_69_69
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9/3/2005 at 00:01 |
President Bush deceived the American public about Iraq and the WMD's. The Federal Goverment has dedicated massive amounts of resources to that scam in the Middle East. When The Hurricane hit the Gulf Coast there was not enough resources to give immediate help! 4 and 5 days to get help to those poor souls? WTF?
I ask the question: Is Bush responsible for the majority of Deaths in the Gulf Coast because of his folly in the middle East?
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acheron
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9/3/2005 at 00:21 |
Short answer: No
Long Answer: I REALLY don't want to do the long answer right now.
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9/3/2005 at 00:36 |
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9/3/2005 at 00:59 |
I ask the question: Is Bush responsible for the majority of Deaths in the Gulf Coast because of his folly in the middle East?
Only if you ascribe to him deity-like powers of weather control.
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azron123
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9/3/2005 at 01:19 |
President Bush deceived the American public about Iraq and the WMD's. The Federal Goverment has dedicated massive amounts of resources to that scam in the Middle East. When The Hurricane hit the Gulf Coast there was not enough resources to give immediate help! 4 and 5 days to get help to those poor souls? WTF?
I ask the question: Is Bush responsible for the majority of Deaths in the Gulf Coast because of his folly in the middle East?
Short Answer: YES!
Long Answer: The Prez ran a giant scam, he told THE BIG LIE to get us involved in a bogus war that's killed thousands of our kids and thousands more Iraqis so that his oil pals could rake in a few billion of our tax money. In my opinion Mr. Bush and his cronies are directly responsible for every deat.
THEN
In order to wage this fiat war of liberation he and his buddies depleted and mispositioned our emergency services, like the3 national guard, at the expense of thousands more lives in New Orleans and on the gulf coast.
Yeah, I think that's murder too. And I hold GWB and his pals directly and personally responsible for every death due to lack of vital services that could have been available 5 days ago.
President Clinton, whom I wasn't very fond of, nearly got kicked out of office for telling a lie about a blow job.
I don't understand why the impeachment wheels aren't already turning for GW.
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9/3/2005 at 01:19 |
I say yes but they won't do it. I really feel he should be held responsible for the slow response for help.
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mcgarpat
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9/3/2005 at 03:14 |
I say no and I also think that the city needed a plan AHEAD OF TIME to get those folks out if they couldn't do it themselves. They know their city the best and are responsible for it locally and everyone in it.
The feds do not operate at a state level. I hear "everyone knew this was gonna happen" too often. California knows a quake is coming, Washington is waiting for Mt Rainier to erupt, Florida seems to get whacked every year etc. etc.
We gonna wait for the problem to reoccur and then blame the feds again?
Can I blame Bush for blowing half a trillion and 2k souls in the freakin desert - hell yeah
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vladtweano
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9/3/2005 at 03:33 |
he's certainly guilty of gross incompetence and should be relieved of his job.
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azron123
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9/3/2005 at 03:49 |
Maybe I should rephrase myself a bit. What's going on in NO is probably classed as negligent homicide. I'm not including people directly killed by the hurricane or flood. Only those killed by lack of emergency response in a timely fashion . The states have been stripped of their National Guard units to support the BIG LIE in Iraq. Those units are usually the first to respond to natural disasters. Who takes over when they and their gear are gone? Apparrently noone.
FEMA was formerly the federal department that automatically took charge on the scene of any disaster natural or not. I've seen FEMA in action. I've seen them on the scene in less than 12 hours and setting logistics for housing, evacuation, food, water and medicine in less than 13. In less than 18 hours everything was up and running and people were being rescued, housed and fed.
Unfortunately FEMA was co-opted by the Department of homeland security and now focuses it's attention almost exclusively on acts of terrorism. The secret police at the DHS don't care if people die in natural disasters as long as the haven't gotten any pro-terrorist books from the library.
And finally, NO did attempt to plan ahead. Last year the city and the Corps of Engineers drew up plans to heighten and reinforce the levees that failed. The project never got off the ground because the White House cut the budget by about 65%. I wonder where that money went. Can you say Haliburton?
[Edited on 9/3/2005 by azron123]
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Crackalackin
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9/3/2005 at 03:50 |
vladtweano: he's certainly guilty of gross incompetence and should be relieved of his job.
!WERDZ! I get grossed out by his incompetence everyday.
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Clavis_Apocalypticae
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9/3/2005 at 05:08 |
I believe that the heads of FEMA, The Department of Homeland Security, and The Whitehouse (up to, and including POTUS) should be charged with murder for every death that occurred in the aftermath of this storm.
They had days of warning that this storm would make landfall, and they sat on their hands. The storm passed, and they took small, furtive actions. When the press started asking some difficult questions, FINALLY they sprung into high gear. In the mean time, hundreds, maybe thousands of people were dying of drowning, starvation, dehydration, lawlessness, lack of sanitation.
The best answer they have to all of this is "Donate to the Red Cross". FUK THAT!! Donating to the Red Cross is what you do when the shit hits the fan in fuking Thailand, not in the U.S. When the shit hits the fan here, you tap the money that you've extorted from every working person in the country for all of their working lives AND YOU FUKING FIX IT!!!
All my life I have believed in the principles that this country was founded on, and have risked my life for them. In spite of all I've seen of the bad in America, I still believed that we were an inherently GOOD country, worthy of sacrifice and preservation.
I stopped feeling that today. What I've seen in the last few days has sickened me beyond description. My country has abandoned it's people, and let them down in the most cruel and reprehensible way.
I'm ashamed to have ever called myself an American.
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acheron
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9/3/2005 at 05:18 |
"President Clinton, whom I wasn't very fond of, nearly got kicked out of office for telling a lie about a blow job."
No president ever got impeached for starting a war. If we were to hold our presidents to such rigorous standards we'd have to begin by impeaching JFK.
"I believe that the heads of FEMA, The Department of Homeland Security, and The Whitehouse (up to, and including POTUS) should be charged with murder for every death that occurred in the aftermath of this storm."
From what I understand one of the main reasons aid took so long to arrive was that all of the major highways save 1 have been fuked beyond belief. Is this not the case? Why didn't they land helicopters? Did they not have enough?
I don't know enough about the federal response to really concretely say that it was murder, but it certainly seems like the lack of planning entails some HUGE incompetence on the part of disaster managers. Evidence? Thoughts?
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acheron
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9/3/2005 at 05:28 |
Once thing seems clear: this shit is going to have ENOURMOUS political consequences. Whether bush is going to get in the line of fire, I don't know, but it seems likely. People are pissed about this. I've been hearing from people on NPR and on the news all day and EVERYBODY is pissed beyond belief, democrat, republican, libertarian, socialist EVERYONE.
This shit is going to get interesting kids.
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BeachGoat
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9/3/2005 at 08:53 |
My son & his Boyfriend just had their birthdays this week in Texas (that's a hard place to be a couple) and I asked what they wanted; music, technology.?..nope, just a donation to the Red Cross for the victims. That's when you know you've raised them right; 26 and compassionate.
After everything that the Dark & Evil Face of the USA (not the Real People who Are the Country) said so many crappy thing about France when they wouldn't be bullied into a War Lie, look what they're doing for us, when so few Foreign Countries are doing anything at all after we did so much for them.
Clavis: "The best answer they have to all of this is "Donate to the Red Cross". FUK THAT!! Donating to the Red Cross is what you do when the shit hits the fan in fuking Thailand, not in the U.S. When the shit hits the fan here, you tap the money that you've extorted from every working person in the country for all of their working lives AND YOU FUKING FIX IT!!!
All my life I have believed in the principles that this country was founded on, and have risked my life for them. In spite of all I've seen of the bad in America, I still believed that we were an inherently GOOD country, worthy of sacrifice and preservation.
I stopped feeling that today. What I've seen in the last few days has sickened me beyond description. My country has abandoned it's people, and let them down in the most cruel and reprehensible way.
I'm ashamed to have ever called myself an American."
Its NOT America, it Bush & his handlers. We, as a country, are still a good and noble people, who have been dubed by a monkey-eared fuck head liar. The True Americans can and will remove this poison from our White house and never let it infect us again.
unless you don't care, and its too late....
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pumpkinass_69_69_69
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9/3/2005 at 11:30 |
Well said Mr. Goat.
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LOki
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9/3/2005 at 12:17 |
President Bush deceived the American public about Iraq and the WMD's. The Federal Goverment has dedicated massive amounts of resources to that scam in the Middle East. When The Hurricane hit the Gulf Coast there was not enough resources to give immediate help! 4 and 5 days to get help to those poor souls? WTF?
I ask the question: Is Bush responsible for the majority of Deaths in the Gulf Coast because of his folly in the middle East?
Short answer: No.
Dumb answer and all its derivatives: Yes, because the governors of the affected states, and the mayors of the affected citys, failing to emplace an adequate emergency plan; these governors and mayors mismanaging the preparatory evacuation of the involved "victims" and then mismanaging the relief and rescue effort of these "victims"; and the monumental and impenetrable stupidity of the "victims" that stayed, is solely the responsibility of the President.
Also, since Bush casued the global warming that made Katrina, he could have caused the global cooling that would have stopped Katrina, allowing us to blame him for the glaciation of New Orleans because the weather is his fault too.
Oh, yeah. And because Bush sucks.
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Wotak
You + Fava Beans = Yum  SSHOLEPosts: 815 Registered: 5/27/2005 Offline
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9/3/2005 at 13:10 |
Clavis_Apocalypticae: All my life I have believed in the principles that this country was founded on, and have risked my life for them. In spite of all I've seen of the bad in America, I still believed that we were an inherently GOOD country, worthy of sacrifice and preservation.
I stopped feeling that today. What I've seen in the last few days has sickened me beyond description. My country has abandoned it's people, and let them down in the most cruel and reprehensible way.
I'm ashamed to have ever called myself an American.
Clav, as a former 11B Grunt, I know how hard it is for you to say that because it hurt me when I finally saw how truely fucked up the government I was willing to die for was.
The American government has exposed itself as nothing but a bunch of CEO's out to milk America for every penny while waving flags in our faces. and hailing us unpatriotic if we disagree with their latest scheme.
This government doesn't care about Americans. It cares about the bottom line.
...and the blind patriots and lemming-esque, right wing, Bush supporting retards around us deserve every ass fucking this government deals them.
All I can say is: What did you motherfuckers expect when you voted for a proven liar with a history of complete and utter incompetence?
Nobody with half a brain is blaming Bush for the storm. It's the fucking lack of giving a fuck IMMEDIATLY after the storm that proves, yet again, what a completely clueless idiot this turdfuck is.
[Edited on 3/9/2005 by Wotak]
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vladtweano
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9/3/2005 at 15:35 |
LOki: Dumb answer and all its derivatives: Yes, because the governors of the affected states, and the mayors of the affected citys, failing to emplace an adequate emergency plan; these governors and mayors mismanaging the preparatory evacuation of the involved "victims" and then mismanaging the relief and rescue effort of these "victims"; and the monumental and impenetrable stupidity of the "victims" that stayed, is solely the responsibility of the President.
Also, since Bush casued the global warming that made Katrina, he could have caused the global cooling that would have stopped Katrina, allowing us to blame him for the glaciation of New Orleans because the weather is his fault too.
Oh, yeah. And because Bush sucks.
my friend, this may be the douchiest thing i have ever seen you say.
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9/3/2005 at 17:53 |
BeachGoat: Its NOT America, it Bush & his handlers. We, as a country, are still a good and noble people, who have been dubed by a monkey-eared fuck head liar. The True Americans can and will remove this poison from our White house and never let it infect us again.
unless you don't care, and its too late....
I'm a truth addict...
Aw shit, I got a head-rush!
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9/3/2005 at 19:23 |
Louisiana is such a corrupted state (ex governor is in jail for gambling with state money), that I'm sure they're responsible for fucking up also.
You're too quick to blame Bush for everything. Did Bush draw up any of the plans? Does Bush do any planning at all? No. People under him do. Did Bush authorize any of the wars? No. Congress did. Does Bush control and lead all the organization responsible for relief efforts? No. Other people do. |
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mcgarpat
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9/3/2005 at 20:02 |
I have been watching CNN. Looks like the feds are taking over and moving in - in force. Good to see that, bad that it took so long. They moved out more today than the last five days combined. At least things seem to be moving at last.
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vladtweano
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9/3/2005 at 22:53 |
too goddam late, but better than never.
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Clamis_Apocalypicae
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9/3/2005 at 23:16 |
pure massacre
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sahlgoode
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9/4/2005 at 03:07 |
Here's an interesting little article:
Impeach Bush by Dr. Paul Roberts!!!
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vladtweano
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9/4/2005 at 04:10 |
dereliction of duty. to the top.
as of tonight (9/3) there are still parts of the city that haven't seen a cop or guardsman. people are still dying. the networks desperately want to talk about something else. rehnquist is dead, and they've kicked off their pre-packaged tribute programming.
it is time for viking hats.
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vladtweano
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9/4/2005 at 05:06 |
compelling
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LOki
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9/4/2005 at 13:01 |
vladtweano: LOki: Dumb answer and all its derivatives: Yes, because the governors of the affected states, and the mayors of the affected citys, failing to emplace an adequate emergency plan; these governors and mayors mismanaging the preparatory evacuation of the involved "victims" and then mismanaging the relief and rescue effort of these "victims"; and the monumental and impenetrable stupidity of the "victims" that stayed, is solely the responsibility of the President.
Also, since Bush casued the global warming that made Katrina, he could have caused the global cooling that would have stopped Katrina, allowing us to blame him for the glaciation of New Orleans because the weather is his fault too.
Oh, yeah. And because Bush sucks.
my friend, this may be the douchiest thing i have ever seen you say.
--If you say so because you believe that I'm unsympathetic, then perhaps you have valid reasons to assert this.
I am completely without sympathy for these morons who failed to take warning, and the retarded executives that these same morons voted into office.
I say: "WELCOME TO WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU WHEN YOUR DUMB COMES TO ROOST!!!!"
--If you say so because you believe I'm some pro-Bush-great American-hero, then I should remind you that I'm not.
I don't care who is in the White House, this shit is not the President's responisibilty. That's why there's a division of power. The governors and mayors should have had their respective shits together--unable to do so, they should have sought assistance much earlier than the 12th hour: 15th minute distress call, and then lay all blame on the White House.
No. I'm not blaming Bush one bit for presuming that the electorate put these governors and mayors into office because they all respectively knew what they were doing.
It does illustrate the consequences of allowing someone, who is in a position to help you, to believe that you can take care of your own shit when you really can't.
--If you say so because you believe I hold no compassion for the suffering of others, then your belief is incorrect.
I don't want those folks to suffer, I didn't wish this shit upon them. I would like to help them despite feeling that they don't deserve any help from me that they haven't already received, or any of that they are going to get from me in the future.
So let's get this bit straight: those folks do not deserve my help, but they are getting it, and are going to continue getting it--but since they don't deserve it in the first place, they have no business making forceful claims on me regarding how much they get.
Remember, I'm an unsympathetic douche.
All the mayhem down there is a result of a natural disaster (not the fault of Bush), an unconcerned and unprepared dumbass populace (not the fault of Bush), a poorly executed evacuation plan (not the fault of Bush), and a poorly concieved and executed emergency action plan (also not the fault of Bush).
I remain unconvinced that any of what is going on down there is Bush's fault.
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acheron
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9/4/2005 at 16:32 |
I remain unconvinced that any of what is going on down there is Bush's fault.
I have seen zero evidence to suggest there was mismanagment at the federal level that didn't also happen at every other level. I keep getting emails about how this disaster reveals the "rotting core of american capitalism". I'm sorry kids but this could have happened to any other country and I doubt they would have done much better. If the highways hadn't been wiped out assistance would have gotten there MUCH faster. The only thing this reveals is that hurricanes seem to be getting stronger and mother nature can squish us inbetween her thumb and forefinger whenever she fucking wants to.
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9/5/2005 at 02:51 |
AcheronDCS:
I have seen zero evidence to suggest there was mismanagment at the federal level that didn't also happen at every other level.
i am absolutely fine with the public stoning of everyone culpable, but it had better go all the way up.
I'm sorry kids but this could have happened to any other country and I doubt they would have done much better.
sorry, but i will not buy that.
If the highways hadn't been wiped out assistance would have gotten there MUCH faster.
fuk that. harry fuking wuss connick jr. drove his own ass to that convention center and started handing out food and water. GERALDO FUKING RIVERA was running around in there with his weepy pussy.
this was fema/dhs' ball to drop, and they dropped it on day one. it then became their boss' problem. for three more fuking days.
that's the thing right there. four days. there's no way to avoid massive loss of life in a disaster like this, but to do nothing for four fuking days afterward while our own people die of exposure and drowning and thirst in plain sight is either criminal negligence or dereliction of duty or both. either way, it's fuking disgusting.
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9/5/2005 at 03:05 |
vladtweano: LOki: I am a douche
my friend, this may be the douchiest thing i have ever seen you say.
And that's saying something!
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