Mofo
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9/5/2005 at 04:39 |
Barely anything Bush says or do is actually his own thought, so there's something to think about.
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azron123
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9/5/2005 at 05:13 |
Last winter when the giant tsunami took out about 150.000 or something people from Thailand to Sri Lanka to Africa The USA managed to get rescue helicopters, S & R teams, massive supply drops and several thousand troops and disaster experts on site and working in about 72 hours
I may be off by a bit because I didn't look it up, but thats how I remember it. Even if it took twice that long they still managed to get those resources up and functioning halfway around the fucking world faster than they could get them to NO which is really just down the block by comparrison.
I'm not complaining about what we did then. As a nation we're good compassionate people who care about eachother and about other people that we share the earth with. Every time I see Americans saving lives and helping strangers I remember why I'm proud to live here.
America is us. You and me. All of us. America is the people who share a common belief system. People from other countries literally risk their lives to get here and work for $5 a day so that their kids can grow up here. Like most of you, my great grand parents came here in the 1890's for the same reasons that the Mexicans and Chineese are comming here today.
They're comming here because around the world it means something good to be an American. When was the last time any one heard any one any where say "I want to be an Indian."?
Or "I want to be an Italian."? Or "I want to be Brazillian."?
It doesn't happen. Ever. Because being an American is still something special, something to be proud of. And we should be proud of it because we are America.
Your state government isn't America. The congress, the Supreme court, the military, the police, the president aren't America either. They are only people that we've hired to do a job for us and maybe it's about time we paid a little more attention to who we hire and who we fire because the hired help is fucking us over and that's not acceptable.
The rich politicians, money grubbing lobbyists, the special interests and influence peddlers and all the other political scun that poisons the whole area inside the DC Beltway aren't America. At the very best, they're leaches. Vampires intent on sucking America dry.
Maybe it's time that we send those bastards packing too. For them The total destruction of New Orleans was a dream come true. Now they have a chance to raise prices on fuel and everything else to create an even larger dividing line between the upper and lower classes. They're digging a trench in NO and shoving the middle class into it like an open mass grave.
I haven't changed my opinion at all that the federal government and especially the president are directly responsible for the massive loss of life on the Gulf Coast. I'm frustrated and mad as hell about it. Our government, our employees spent most of a week sucking eachothers assholes, going on vacation and going shopping while the people whose lives they're sworn to protect were dieing by the thousands and their corpses were being gnawed on by rats.
Anyway you choose to look at it, this is a crime, a scandle and a public shame. I'm ashamed of what our government has done. I'm ashamed that our employess place such a low value on human life and dignity. I'm ashamed of whatever part I might have played in giving these soulless bastards their jobs.
But I'm not ashamed to be an American because they aren't America. We are.
Now we need to get our shit together and fix the system that has failed and shamed us all. I think it's the American thing to do.
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Crackalackin
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9/5/2005 at 06:43 |
azron123: AWESOMENESS
Good post!
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[Edited on 5/9/2005 by Crackalackin]
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pumpkinass_69_69_69
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9/5/2005 at 15:37 |
well said azron. there is plenty of shame to pass around
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vladtweano
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9/5/2005 at 16:03 |
*disclaimer*
as a principal in this particular portrait of loki as a young douche, i feel i must point out that i went to some length to characterize his statement as "douchy", or "of or sharing characteristics with a wet, smelly puckery douche". i intentionally did not say that he was, in fact, an actual douche. this is because i know him well and can say that he is neither a 6-ft-tall lumbering douche nor inhumanly unsympathetic. well usually. but it's entirely possible that douchiness was his goal in his post. if so, it was well done, but still not up to o'reilly/limbaugh standards (though they do seem to share the same talking points, which should concern him). this should not discourage those who know him no better than his postings from arriving at the conclusion that he is, in fact, a yawning douche. he's certainly invited that.
i offer this statement only because of the possibility that this is another round in a lifelong game called "uproar", which we both enjoy immensely, especially when it sucks in bystanders. in this matter, though, i have little interest in it.
*end disclaimer*
[Edited on 5/9/2005 by vladtweano]
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vasudeva
Bad Taste in your Mouth  SSHOLEPosts: 4538 Registered: 3/8/2002 Offline
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9/5/2005 at 16:30 |
Crackalackin: azron123: AWESOMENESS
Good post!
It's true.
Azron, I think this should sit in your journal next to that 'bringing home the dead' entry you made that got so much circulation. (Spellcheck.)
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IMBOLCPunxsutawneyPhil
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9/5/2005 at 20:32 |
Mofo:"Did Bush authorize any of the wars? No. Congress did."
Wrong! hoodwinked and suckered the entire population with a bunch of lies, and even the bush cheerleaders know that.
Clavis has awoken, I wish it had been on better terms though...
Loki remains a hot-sack of rat feces. It would be simple to say that the po' black folk in Nawlin's deserved to die, after all they are both BLACK and POOR--and when it comes down to it, they can be seen as a property loss right?
I seriously doubt that anything meaningful will transpire due to this post, but I hope in the darkest hour we come to our senses and kick out the appologists, opportunistic leeches, and the scum that we so often allow free range over our rights, livelyhoods and loved ones.
Archeron, something happened to you to make you all pro-fundie republicrat, stop it. you had a soul, find it in that dust-bin where you threw all the things you loved and cared about. There is no excuse to not hold the ones in power accountable for their actions.
If I was in charge and I fucked things up this bad, I would be in trouble... so why is this rich boy free to get away with it?
Hasn't Bush always gotten away with fucking things up? Arbusto Oil? The Rangers? The Gulf War II, Opperation "catch 7-ft tall arab hooked to a dialisis machine in the afgani range?", Stop "world terrar?" .
There is no accountability for failure in the highest position in the land. Bend over.
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acheron
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9/5/2005 at 23:35 |
Please spell my fake name correctly thank you.
Ok since all this has all gone on I have to admit that there definitely seem to be legitimate stupidity going on with the relief effort (check krug's article today). Bush is of course ultimately in charge of the response and will suffer for it apropriately.
I have some major questions regarding the whole thing before I'm willing to accept people using it as a stick to hit bush with.
LIKE
Does Bush control FEMA's response?
Does Bush control the LNG's response? Doesn't the governor?
Please illuminate.
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vasudeva
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9/5/2005 at 23:43 |
vladtweano: i offer this statement only because of the possibility that this is another round in a lifelong game called "uproar", which we both all enjoy immensely, especially when it sucks in bystanders.
FIXED, GOOD SIR.
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acheron
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9/6/2005 at 00:01 |
^HAHA yes indeed
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vladtweano
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9/6/2005 at 00:40 |
AcheronDCS: Does Bush control FEMA's response?
he's the boss. fema failed from the word "aauuuggh", and homeland security (in which fema has been absorbed and eviscerated) immediately followed suit. the boss was at a party in california, strumming a guitar and comparing iraq to ww2. he fiddled for 3 days. doom.
Does Bush control the LNG's response? Doesn't the governor?
i think so. there were LNG and coast guard in the city immediately. they were the ones taking people off rooftops. overwhelmed.
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vladtweano
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9/6/2005 at 00:50 |
also re: LA governor blanco. rove's CYA plan is apparently to slime her. he's already been busted. watch for this.
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Mofo
dont give a shit SSHOLEPosts: 438 Registered: 2/8/2004 Offline
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9/6/2005 at 01:26 |
Step right up folks, step on up. Only one dolla to blame Bush for all your problems, cause God knows where all too damn stupid to do anything on our own. Step right up. |
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vladtweano
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9/6/2005 at 02:17 |
that all you got?
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IMBOLCPunxsutawneyPhil
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9/6/2005 at 02:48 |
I ain't gonna do no spellchecka for you fool...
I will just refer to your doom shit-monster avatar [side note: I always felt that those late nights killing little brown ape-like monsters in doom was like sanitation duty]...
The bush is in charge of the federal preparedness of the powa's that be to come in and clean up any messes motha fuckin' nature decides to crap on people. He's also the swami-fucking-figurehead for the nation to "rally around" and not against [refer to the oft-mentioned but never really resolved "9-11" by one herr presidente comandante o'military; which includes by the way the NATIONAL guard, most of which are off dieing so we can have some oil, but in the mean time destablizing everything so the cost goes up. AND ITS NOT GONNA GO DOWN AFTER THEY "LIBERATE THAT OIL"].
So if he's not the one in charge, show me who is? Cheney, the ex-CEO-of War Profiteers Inc.?
I, for one, will tell you that the people of america are not in charge.
their fundamental rights granted to them since the Magna fucking Carta have been frivolously violated by an irresponsible ex-frat boy. This frat-kid is the same kind of kid that marries a rich girl that kills someone in a drunk driving accident and gets away with it because she has a powerful daddy.
is there a level of violation that is enough for you? can we be so wrong as to call by the same name "FIRE THE BOSS: IMPEACH" as we would "panacea"?
Fuck it, have a poem:
The trick and the lie and the bait and the switch;
when will the trailer trash whore understand,
that her man is not a man
but a drunkard, abusing her
and more so her love?
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azron123
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9/6/2005 at 03:55 |
IMBOLCPunxsutawneyPhil: I ain't gonna do no spellchecka for you fool...
I will just refer to your doom shit-monster avatar [side note: I always felt that those late nights killing little brown ape-like monsters in doom was like sanitation duty]...
The bush is in charge of the federal preparedness of the powa's that be to come in and clean up any messes motha fuckin' nature decides to crap on people. He's also the swami-fucking-figurehead for the nation to "rally around" and not against [refer to the oft-mentioned but never really resolved "9-11" by one herr presidente comandante o'military; which includes by the way the NATIONAL guard, most of which are off dieing so we can have some oil, but in the mean time destablizing everything so the cost goes up. AND ITS NOT GONNA GO DOWN AFTER THEY "LIBERATE THAT OIL"].
So if he's not the one in charge, show me who is? Cheney, the ex-CEO-of War Profiteers Inc.?
I, for one, will tell you that the people of america are not in charge.
their fundamental rights granted to them since the Magna fucking Carta have been frivolously violated by an irresponsible ex-frat boy. This frat-kid is the same kind of kid that marries a rich girl that kills someone in a drunk driving accident and gets away with it because she has a powerful daddy.
is there a level of violation that is enough for you? can we be so wrong as to call by the same name "FIRE THE BOSS: IMPEACH" as we would "panacea"?
Fuck it, have a poem:
The trick and the lie and the bait and the switch;
when will the trailer trash whore understand,
that her man is not a man
but a drunkard, abusing her
and more so her love?
WERDZ!
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acheron
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9/6/2005 at 04:33 |
"So if he's not the one in charge, show me who is? Cheney, the ex-CEO-of War Profiteers Inc.?"
Of course. And Donald.
"I, for one, will tell you that the people of america are not in charge. "
Yes, but when were we ever?
"their fundamental rights granted to them since the Magna fucking Carta have been frivolously violated by an irresponsible ex-frat boy. This frat-kid is the same kind of kid that marries a rich girl that kills someone in a drunk driving accident and gets away with it because she has a powerful daddy"
Yeah, but that applies to a lot of people and not just Bush in particular.
"is there a level of violation that is enough for you?"
As far as I'm concerned killing thousands of innocent of Afghans was good technical grounds for impeachment. That was in 2001, nevermind all this Iraq stuff or forced removals in Latin America.
As for Katrina, of course they should've done better. Somebody should have gotten the ball rolling and just started making shitloads of calls in the middle of the night and got something done quick. That should have been a lot of people, but Bush especially. But it doesn't seem to me that he failed any further than a lot of other people. Even if he did I don't presuppose that Bush (cheney) is a smart or effective president. I bet he's worried about his poll numbers though, so I bet he actually would've have done something to avoid this shitstorm he flew himelf into.
eventually we'll probably find out that a lot of people fucked up, in fact the whole system failed because real natural disaster management systems weren't ready for a storm of this size anyway. Whether FEMA was subverted by the join up with HLS, or by lack of communication between varying levels of government, I'm not sure, but I assume that all are true and so are other factors like the logistical knockout of phone systems and roads that were blocked so 18 wheelers actually physically couldn't get there. The world is complicated. If it was as easy as "Bush sucks" the left wouldn't have to think. Large sections of it don't anyway.
Didn't know that about Rove. I hadn't read him, but Josh Marshall is excellent, thanks for the link, Vlad.
[Edited on 6/9/2005 by AcheronDCS]
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azron123
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9/6/2005 at 05:13 |
It doesn't matter what you label people.
Conservative/Liberal, Republican/Democrat, Left/Right, White/Black, Christian/Pagan, Muslim/Jew.....It makes absolutely no difference.
Every thinking American with even a shred of human descency, compassion or conscience is appalled, ashamed and angered by what our government has done both here and in the middle east.
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vladtweano
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9/6/2005 at 05:23 |
AcheronDCS: If it was as easy as "Bush sucks" the left wouldn't have to think. Large sections of it don't anyway.
true and true. but you know what? everywhere you look, there's nothing but evidence that bush does indeed suck, and that there are very real suck-related consequences to enabling him. oh i just hate bush? if i didn't before, i sure do now, so i'll concede that. oh i just want to blame bush for everything? no, i want accountability. to the top. and a fuking reckoning.
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Wotak
You + Fava Beans = Yum  SSHOLEPosts: 815 Registered: 5/27/2005 Online
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9/6/2005 at 08:08 |
AcheronDCS: I bet he's worried about his poll numbers though, so I bet he actually would've have done something to avoid this shitstorm he flew himelf into.
He DID do something...
He flew down yesterday for a photo op.
...and don't worry. In time he'll claim to have done the right thing by waiting a week to respond. The repuglikkkin spin machine will find a local politician to roast over the fire of the publics outrage and they'll gleefull go back to counting your money and sheltering it from taxation while they plan their retirements and laugh their asses off at how easy it is to be rich and to own america.
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9/6/2005 at 09:47 |
Wotak: AcheronDCS: I bet he's worried about his poll numbers though, so I bet he actually would've have done something to avoid this shitstorm he flew himelf into.
He DID do something...
He flew down yesterday for a photo op.
...and don't worry. In time he'll claim to have done the right thing by waiting a week to respond. The repuglikkkin spin machine will find a local politician to roast over the fire of the publics outrage and they'll gleefull go back to counting your money and sheltering it from taxation while they plan their retirements and laugh their asses off at how easy it is to be rich and to own america.
Probably the Mayor of NO will be the crucifiction victim.
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9/6/2005 at 14:20 |
^^ Hey! That guy to the right of Bush in the Photo has a BlackBerry!
On a more serious note. Why hasn't Bush accepted Castro's offered help? I guess does he figure there is enough doctors and supplies to help everyone?
I know Cuba is the US enemy, but fuck, I'd be taking the doctors if offered!
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azron123
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9/6/2005 at 20:54 |
From their point of view everything was under control. The DC Big Brother Government types want and need a frightened populace.
For them the real problem now is that instead of a frightened populace they have an angry populace who wants real answers and genuine accountability and won't settle for less.
And for once the media is showing that they really are higher chordates and showing the real picture instead of just vomiting back the governments spin doctored bullshit.
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9/6/2005 at 22:40 |
azron123: And for once the media is showing that they really are higher chordates and showing the real picture instead of just vomiting back the governments spin doctored bullshit.
Yeah, but we'll see how long that lasts. I'll bet we don't hear a single reporter actually ask Bush "Why did you wait so long to send in help?" or "Why did you fly to California the day after the storm rather than go to DC and take control of this situation?"
...and by the way, did you notice that the Iraq fiasco has pretty much slid off the front page?
Diversion is not solution.
America deserves a regime change.
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IMBOLCPunxsutawneyPhil
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9/7/2005 at 00:14 |
Wotak: azron123: And for once the media is showing that they really are higher chordates and showing the real picture instead of just vomiting back the governments spin doctored bullshit.
Yeah, but we'll see how long that lasts. I'll bet we don't hear a single reporter actually ask Bush "Why did you wait so long to send in help?" or "Why did you fly to California the day after the storm rather than go to DC and take control of this situation?"
...and by the way, did you notice that the Iraq fiasco has pretty much slid off the front page?
Diversion is not solution.
America deserves a regime change.
Funny how wotak's comment's don't show up eh?
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