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9/6/2005 at 19:34


operation blame blanco
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Subject: Re: [Chapter-delegates] Condolences from Indonesia
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:07:30 -0400
From: Gene Gaines
To: Irwan Effendi

On Sunday, September 4, 2005, 9:49:03 AM, Irwan wrote:

> To the people of the United States

> We share your loss and grieve over the disaster in New Orleans.
> As it is still fresh in our memory what happened earlier in Aceh, we
> understand what kind of sadness and sorrow you are going through, therefore
> if there is anything we can do to help, please do not hesitate to let us
> know.
> We suggest that all of us must work to find preventive solutions so that in
> the future, tragedies such as these can be avoided.

> On behalf of Indonesian members

> Irwan Effendi - secretary

Irwan,

Thank you so much for your thoughts.

Much appreciated.

I have thought long and hard about my statement below, but these
things need to be said. Just as many people in the U.S. were
interested in what really happened in Aceh, Malaysia, Sri Lanka,
etc. with the tsunami, I believe many people in other countries
are interested in what is happening with our disaster along the
U.S. Gulf Coast. What is happening in New Orleans screams out to
exposed for all to see.

A personal note. I am now living near Washington DC, but was
born and spent much of my early life in New Orleans. My father
is buried in New Orleans. So many of my boyhood friends have old
family homes along the Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama coast
lines. All gone now.

Many people here will be working to assist the disaster victims.

But it must be stated that this hurricane caused two disasters.
Two disasters, very different, and must be dealt with in very
different ways. This is painful and embarrassing, but some facts
about the two disasters need to be said.

1) The hurricane missed New Orleans, passing just to the east,
with strength to inflict significant but not catastrophic
damage in the city. It was the breaks in the levees around
New Orleans that caused the great tragedy there. Could the
levee breaks and subsequent flooding have been prevented?
Yes. But soon after the present Bush administration took
power, ongoing work on the levees, already in progress, was
stopped by cutting the funding. Several new projects,
critical to maintaining the integrity of the levees, were
halted. Local officials, Louisiana elected officials to our
national Congress, all raised their voices in protest of
these cuts. In speech after speech and newspaper article
after article, strong voices were raised, warning that the
levee maintenance work was critical, and would open the city
to flooding by a hurricane if not done. The levee work was
not restarted. Why? Statements were made as to why the funds
were needed elsewhere: (a) the coming war in Iraq (big U.S.
firms can collect US$30,000 per month per employee, charge
US$1,000 a day to feed soldiers) and (b) tax cuts for the
most wealthy Americans.

I was born in Charity Hospital in New Orleans, an excellent
hospital staffed by two universities. My family has been
treated there for many generations. As the business of
health care in the United States has been privatized and
hospitals turned into profit-making large corporations,
Charity Hospital has become essentially a hospital for the
poor, for those who do not have medical insurance. (If I
recall correctly) it is the oldest hospital in the U.S., a
huge skyscraper building on one of the major streets. At
any time after the hurricane, large Army trucks could drive
to the hospital. But none were sent. For five days after
the hurricane, the hospital and many hundreds of medical
staff and critically-ill patients were abandoned, forgotten.
Generators failed, out of gas or flooded. Of course,
hospital emergency generators are expected to last only for
a limited time, until help arrives. But no help was sent to
the hospital. No power, no lights, no ventilation, no air
conditioning, no water, no toilet or ways of disposing of
waste. No tests could be run on dying patients, electric
breathing and pumping machines had to be operated by hand,
day-after-day. Food, water, medicines ran out and had to
be apportioned among the most ill patients. Nurses and
doctors went without food or water for days, working through
the nights, saving water for patients, giving themselves
saline intravenous injections in place of food and water.
There are thousands of suitable military trucks are within
several hours drive of New Orleans. Many were loaded with
water, food, emergency supplies, but were withheld and not
sent to the city. I have been told by one emergency
worker that there was some concern that Federal managers
might be criticized if their trucks were damaged by water
or lost, after one convoy of trucks were sent to a flooded
parking areas and reportedly were flooded.

Doctors in Charity Hospital, using cell phones as long as
they lasted, made hundreds of phones calls for help -- to
Federal officials, to other hospitals, to news sources --
describing the horrific conditions and begging for help. It
is my understanding that no serious effort was made to reach
the hospital, or to at least air-drop water, food, medical
supplies. No help went to Charity Hospital for FIVE DAYS
after the hurricane. FIVE DAYS.

News people have driven into the city with satellite TV
transmission equipment, looked around, sent out live
reports, and driven out again. But no help went to Charity
Hospital. This failure to provide help was repeated over and
over again in the city. Today, more than seven days after
the hurricane winds were over, significant numbers of people
are still trapped in their apartments, or the roofs or
attics of their small houses, without any food or water
other then what was at hand. Still trapped.

Literally many hundreds of people skilled in disaster and
flood rescue, offering boats, busses, planes, even trains,
have been turned away from the New Orleans area because of
red tape. Just one example, my local Loudoun County police
department received a frantic call for help from the head of
police in an area near New Orleans -- an area where people
were dying in demolished buildings, corpses were laying
unattended, thousands of people were without water or food.
Power was out and phones were down, but the official calling
for help was able to get through on a cell phone, his call
"Please, please, we are desperate for help, can you send
your people." My local police head (1,500 miles from New
Orleans) went into emergency mode, assembled a large team of
his officers, vehicles, food and water, tents and supplies
so his people could be self-sustaining, and promised the
people calling for help that his men were on the way. After
driving hundreds of miles, they were stopped and told to go
back home -- because the local police head asking for help,
in the midst of death and devastation, had not gone through
the proper channels. It is now 7 days after the hurricane,
and my local officials still have not received permission
for their police officers to begin travel to Louisiana.

To summarize, the flood in New Orleans is the result of man
-- four years ago stopping maintenance work on protective
levees (similar to the Dutch dike system) needed to protect
the city, then the U.S. Federal government failing to plan
for such a disaster (For example, providing at least some
emergency disaster communications. There are none.) then the
Federal officials stepping in to "take control" and actually
preventing local officials, who know well what to do, from
taking needed action.

Are my statements accurate? While people are dying, having
waited more than a week for rescue, and while there are
corpses all over this American city rotting in the hot sun,
equipment is being diverted from rescue work to create
"photo opportunity" scenes for the touring President of the
United States.

I can take you to a small town where a school building was
used to house people rescued from New Orleans, crowded
together with no electricity, no water, no toilet
facilities, no food, no ventilation, no communication to
their loved ones, desperate and with some seriously ill.
This school building is across the street from an Air Force
base where troops were stationed, playing basketball and
lounging in the sun -- with food, water, medical facilities.
But the troops were not permitted to leave their base to
help the people in desperate need, and the victims were not
permitted to enter the Air Force Base.

As upsetting as the above statements are, they are true, and
need to be said. For shame. For shame.

Remember, it was NOT wind damage that took New Orleans, that
destroyed the city. Yes, there was a hurricane. The city has
survived such hurricanes many times before -- it was the
collapse of two levees that happened a day after the winds
subsided. Is this high water that collapsed the levees an
unusual event for New Orleans? Think about it. The
Mississippi River rises and floods in the Spring of almost
every year. Floods and threats to the levee system are not
new, and not unusual. New Orleans knows how to deal with
high water threats. But not if the Federal government both
(a) stops work on maintaining the levees, and (b) ties the
hands of local officials for rescue efforts.

2) The hurricane disaster along the Gulf coastline to the east
of New Orleans is a different situation. This was truly an
event of nature, the damage done by the hurricane and mostly
by the wall of water pushed on shore by the winds, what is
called a storm surge. I have lived through hurricanes on
the Gulf Coast, there can be devastating damage from winds,
but the huge wall of water that swept through is unique.
The devastation is terrible, many lives were lost, but I see
this as an act of nature, not an act of inhuman greed on the
part of man.

My apologies for the above, but it needs to be said.

It also must be said that many, many good people are working
night and day on rescue efforts in New Orleans and along the
Gulf Coast. They need to be applauded.

I also must say that the several hundred thousand black and poor
people in New Orleans are among the kindest, most moral people
in the world. They will stop their activities to help others,
they willingly share their food and money with others in need.
They are not disposable, and they are not garbage. To see them
treated in this fashion offends me deeply.

I expect that some good Americans will wish to protest that I
should not embarrass my county in such fashion, that the ISOC
list is not the place for this, or perhaps wish to say that
this did not happen. If you feel I am wrong, I would like to
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9/7/2005 at 02:18

You know I"m coming to the gradual conclusion that the press may have found its balls.

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9/7/2005 at 13:42


rescue workers used as props
bush investigates himself
the wrong charleston
fema mission: convey a positive image
nawlins left to die
apples and trees
monolithic douchebag
the potemkin president
finger pointing
give me a better idiot
show us your tits
big expensive 911 war party still GO!
the daily show

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unrepentant syphilitic dog whores
msnbc goes wobbly
oblivious, in denial, dangerous
barring the press

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9/8/2005 at 15:41


oh canada
intimidating the press
the camera doesn't lie
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9/8/2005 at 16:38

Regarding Crackalakin's long post, which I admit to stopping mid way though... It kills we to read the story about the police force that was turned away...

I kills me that a) They were turned away period and
b) That these men who, upon hearing the distress from other police brethren, broke out the gear in record time and were well on thier way, would say.

"Oh, OK, you dont want our help, we'll turn right around and head home."

Why not say I'm happy you dont need our help, you must have things under control, but we're fucking going anyways if all we can do is show support.... Cause they know damn well they ARE needed.

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9/8/2005 at 17:35

Steel: Why not say I'm happy you dont need our help, you must have things under control, but we're fucking going anyways if all we can do is show support.... Cause they know damn well they ARE needed.


absolutely. obviously the federal emergency management agency and the department of homeland security are obstacles that must be circumvented to get anything done. their boss is a mad shrinking baboon busily pissing himself up a rope, and apparently has no time for this.

i agree with those arguing that one of the fundamental tenets of the deal between government and governed is that the government protect its citizens, or at least pretend to try. what's worse, though, is that these fuks are proving to be a threat to our safety.






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9/8/2005 at 21:01

At least they are getting Floodweiser now:

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UPROAR!!
The tragedy that unfolded in New Orleans in the wake of the floodwaters of Hurricane Katrina should be a political career-buster. Between now and the federal elections in November, 2006 and the gubernatorial elections in 2007, Louisiana's Democratic Party led by Sen. Mary Landrieu (Mitch Landrieu's sister) will try to convince the State's 67% black majority that the suffering they endured during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina was the fault of President George W. Bush—who was too busy enjoying his summer vacation at his ranch in Crawford, Texas to deal with the tragedy that was unfolding in Louisiana for five critical days.


I agree that this should be politically fatal.

The argument immediately advanced by racism activists Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton—two of the worst racist demogoges in the country—the Democratic National Committee, and the antiwar radical left groups like MoveOn.org and Jane Fonda's new group (formed with al Qaeda's representative of British Parliament, George Galloway) Stand Up And Be Counted, is that President George W. Bush did not react until the public outcry overwhelmed the media. Bush wasn't concerned, the liberal pundits said, because all of the rich white folks got out of New Orleans before Hurricane Katrina blew ashore, and the only people left in New Orleans were the welfare class poor—who are 90% black and always vote Democratic.


This is of course true. Sharpton and Jackson are racists.

I think the most frightening thing about the lack of coordination in New Orleans is the fact that Chertoff is the man who was entrusted the President, and through the advise and consent of the US Senate, with the task of coordinating the security of the United States of America. If he could be blindsided by a handful of petty Louisiana bureaucrats while all of the media in America was openly reporting on the chaos in New Orleans, I've got to wonder whatever possessed the President of the United States to appoint him Seretary of the Department of Homeland Security? And, I've also got to ask how long it will be before the President realizes he made a mistake and corrects that error.


In so far as the wohle idea of the Department of Homeland Security is a mistake, the position of Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security is necessarily a mistake.

...on August 25—2 days before Hurricane Katrina made landfall—Bush declared portions of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida a major disaster area.Ê Blanco should have declared a state of emergency and asked the federal government to take charge on that date.

Bush's declaration allowed FEMA—which coordinates state and local disaster relief efforts—to make funds and supplies available to the Gulf coast States that were about to feel Katrina's fury. Medical supplies, food and water—and National Guard units were readied. The Red Cross set up a command center in Baton Rouge. But until Blanco declared a state of emergency and invited federal troops into her State, the Bush Administration had done virtually everything it could do.


Huh. That's not what I heard.

School buses. Public transit buses. Nagin controlled the public transit system of New Orleans. Blanco controlled the city's school buses since they are owned by the State Board of Education. No one moved any of the mass transit vehicles. (Ideally, as noted earlier, had those vehicles been used to evacuate the poor and the elderly before the storm hit, Hurricane Katrina would not have been a 24-7 news event since August 28 when the tidal surge flooded an empty city. But had the buses been moved to high ground, the city would have had buses to evacuate those who went to the designated safe areas once the storm hit. or those who were rescued by emergency responders once the city flooded.


I think George Soros said that Bush let the air out of all the tires on these busses a week before Katrina hit. I could be wrong.

Thus, the real tragedy of Hurricane Katrina is our expoure—as Americans—to a caste system we created by allowing utopian, socialist politicians to ensnare four generations of Americans and chain them to the bondage of a welfare system that robs men of their dignity and their will to transform their own dreams into realities that would empower their children and grandchildren to play pivotal roles in the future of the greatest nation on Earth.


Jingoisms aside, ... Cool.

WERDZ to the effect that liburuls buy votes with welfare checks, and liburuls buying votes is what's wrong with this country.


Being fully aware of the other half of that truth, ... sad.










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9/9/2005 at 17:12

LOki: This is of course true. Sharpton and Jackson are racists.


If so, they're the funniest damn racists on the planet.






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> BREAKING NEWS FEMA director Michael Brown being sent back to Washington; Homeland Security Director Chertoff to announce new leader for on-the-ground Katrina relief efforts, senior administration official tells CNN. Details soon.

powell

"There have been a lot of failures at a lot of levels -- local, state and federal"






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Holy yowza. I like this comment on that last link:

Pace Anita's comments above, even if the Cult of Dubya doesn't quite make it to the level of Reaganolatry Old Ronnie garnered, there is much the same level of (what is to my mind) ridiculously deferential and laudatory attention paid to a President who is, at bottom, a mediocre professional politician with a second-rate intellect (and unlike Reagan, a truly awful communicator).

However, I think a lot of the Busholatry current on the starboard flank of the polity stems from the same source as the Reagan-worship they so love to flaunt. George Walker Bush, even if he is just the front-man (a not-unaccustomed role for him, btw), is the front-man for an entire ideology: not just an Adminstration, not just a Party, but the whole Conservative Movement; from the loftiest intellectual think-tank to the local get-out-the-vote activists. Bush 43 is their guy, the public face of their Movement, and if The Right has to put on the blinders and pretend that the stumblebum in the Oval Office is actually some steely-eyed Great Leader with Grand Vision and unswerving resolve, well, they will, since the alternative would prove a stain not just on the Adminstration (as Clinton's failings were) but on American Conservatism all down the line.

I suppose that we just might see the GOP and their cheerleaders abandon their mindless support for GWB if the going got truly tough: it's one thing to note that the Emperor has no clothes: but when one's own bare ass can also be seen to be hanging out as well, it tends to mute the discussion.







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brown's resume a pack of lies
SMILEX!
barred from leaving
the gutting of fema
tom tomorrow

mundhra: BREAKING NEWS FEMA director Michael Brown being sent back to Washington

note that "sent back to washington" does not mean "shitcanned".

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mundhra: > BREAKING NEWS FEMA director Michael Brown being sent back to Washington; Homeland Security Director Chertoff to announce new leader for on-the-ground Katrina relief efforts, senior administration official tells CNN. Details soon.

powell

"There have been a lot of failures at a lot of levels -- local, state and federal"


I think the neocons are pretty cleaved in half at this point. You may have noticed Francis Fukyama, Johns Hopkins, PNAC and neocon big boy, coming out strongly against Bush's Iraq policy in the NYtimes a couple weeks ago. Powell was obviously a moderate more or less and is now breaking with the administration. This lays the groundwork for other republicans to do the same. We'll see what happens.






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It's not just media coverage that depicts a bias, THOSE nigers are animals.






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Not to worry, HELP HAS ARRIVED!



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how bush blew it
euthaniz'd
uninhabitable for a decade
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...all too many Democrats agree. The "upside" to one of the biggest natural disasters in U.S. history is an opportunity for a power and money grab. I'll bet you a FEMA gift card that, if Democrats get many more of these "upsides," we'll all be either broke or dead.


Thanks Department of Homeland Security
But what's clear is that four years after terrorists, on another late summer day, flew hijacked aircraft into buildings in New York and Washington, the United States is no better prepared to respond to catastrophe — even when it comes with days of public anticipation and warning.


Counter hum to the "Bush Sucks" background hum.

Bush's super weather powers may have caused Katrina, but the local Democrats could have stopped it.

research into more than ten years of reporting on hurricane and flood damage mitigation efforts in and around New Orleans indicates that local and state officials did not use federal money that was available for levee improvements or coastal reinforcement and often did not secure local matching funds that would have generated even more federal funding.


President Bush provided the local officials every resource they needed to deal with this emergency.

New Orleans chief claims he did everything possible to save lives

"Sure, there was lots of buses out there," Nagin said. "But guess what? I LOST MY FUKING MIND!!!!"


Journalists who are long on opinions and short on knowledge have no idea what is involved in moving hundreds of tons of relief supplies into an area the size of England in which power lines are down, telecommunications are out, no gasoline is available, bridges are damaged, roads and airports are covered with debris, and apparently have little interest in finding out.

"We do not yet have teleporter or replicator technology like you saw on 'Star Trek' in college between hookah hits and waiting to pick up your worthless communications degree while the grown-ups actually engaged in the recovery effort were studying engineering."


HAHAHAHA! "hooka hits"!!!!

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Scapegoating FEMA Director Michael Brown and President Bush may be politically correct, and effective with ignorant people, since the two of them are white Republican males, but it is utterly wrong.

oh, of course it's wrong! just because michael brown was totally unqualified for that position doesn't make it right to expect him to resign. oh... wait.

The government doesn't need reform, and it doesn't need revamping – because all these things ever succeed in doing is making the government bigger. In addition, the people charged with eliminating bureaucracy are almost always bureaucrats. Don't pay a mouse to design a better mousetrap and then act shocked that the money was used to build a cheddar factory.

don't republicans always preach smaller gov't? wonder if those reduction revamps have the same result in making the government bigger? DHS, perhaps?

We know now that it was the gross incompetence, over an extended period of time, of local Democrat controlled government that has been the cause of this mess.

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LOki: thx for the lnx - it's good to see another perspective. But you know what bugs me is that they are bashing dems as much as they are defending reps. They might do better by sticking to the point instead of trying to change people's politics.






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9/13/2005 at 04:55

ok, at least the new fema guy, david paulison, was a firefighter. he's also known as the DUCT TAPE AND PLASTIC SHEETING WILL SAVE YOU FROM TERROR guy. goody.






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9/13/2005 at 05:03



so michnews.com is the best you could muster? i'm not surprised. it's about on par with the other bush fluffers i've read recently. but when you've got nothing, what do you expect?

"The United States military can wipe out the Taliban and the Iraqi Republican Guard far more swiftly than they can bring 3 million Swanson dinners to an underwater city through an area the size of Great Britain which has no power, no working ports or airports, and a devastated and impassable road network."

i call utter fuking bullshit on this carping snidely prick head. i will not buy this for a second, because it's beside the point. even if there were only five guys in a humvee that were immediately available (which i might believe, given the number of guard that are in iraq) there was no excuse for not sending them in there to start saving lives. fuk these disseminating apologists in their hastily-covered asses with a rotating wolverine.

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9/13/2005 at 13:09

mundhra: don't republicans always preach smaller gov't? wonder if those reduction revamps have the same result in making the government bigger? DHS, perhaps?

We know now that it was the gross incompetence, over an extended period of time, of local Democrat controlled government that has been the cause of this mess.

OH NOES, the DEMOCRATS BOOGYMEN!!
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dreymers: thx for the lnx - it's good to see another perspective. But you know what bugs me is that they are bashing dems as much as they are defending reps. They might do better by sticking to the point instead of trying to change people's politics.

LOki: As far as I can tell, each election has been about which slave master will be the kindest to us--which one will give us the hot table scraps from the meal we provided. Everyone is focused on, and argues about which ass-rapist uses the most lotion and the gentlest thrust.

I just want to point out that I did not vote for any of the ass-rapists who did all the bad things, or did none of the good things relevant to the Katrina response; nor did I vote for the other ass-rapist who would also have done all the wrong things and fail to do all of the good things. I voted against ass-rape, but I'll just bet that none of the finger pointing turds we've all seen posted here can say that; I'll bet that I'm in a tiny minority of posters in this thread who can say that.

WELCOME TO LOKILAND!!!!!!!!!

vladtweano: so michnews.com is the best you could muster? i'm not surprised. it's about on par with the other bush fluffers i've read recently. but when you've got nothing, what do you expect?

And it's about on par with the furiously snarky BUSHSUX cockwitches so frequently presented--but to answer you: No. I'm sure it's not the best I could do; I just don't see the need to do better. Your BUSHSUX crap fingers smell of shit no less than the "bush fluffers" I present as a counter.

I suppose I'm not sophistcated enough to parse the difference between brussel-sprout shits and spinach shits--I find them equally offensive; but I also find it entertaining that you, apparently, can and don't.

vladtweano: i call utter fuking bullshit on this carping snidely prick head. i will not buy this for a second, because it's beside the point. even if there were only five guys in a humvee that were immediately available (which i might believe, given the number of guard that are in iraq) there was no excuse for not sending them in there to start saving lives. fuk these disseminating apologists in their hastily-covered asses with a rotating wolverine.

You're not there--Jason van Steenwyk is. He has a different story about federal response than your BUSHSUX 4th estate crap fingers.
Jason van Steenwyk is a Florida Army National Guardsman who has been mobilized six times for hurricane relief. He notes that:

"The federal government pretty much met its standard time lines, but the volume of support provided during the 72-96 hour was unprecedented. The federal response here was faster than Hugo, faster than Andrew, faster than Iniki, faster than Francine and Jeanne."

For instance, it took five days for National Guard troops to arrive in strength on the scene in Homestead, Fla. after Hurricane Andrew hit in 1992. But after Katrina, there was a significant National Guard presence in the afflicted region in three.







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