BeachGoat
DARTH MENSES  Posts: 431 Registered: 10/31/2003 Offline
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8/25/2005 at 09:09 |
Four more years? My ass. We're going to hit Iran, Jordan, Syria, Korea, not to mention the South American campaign. The draft is coming. The math comes out to this:
During the past two years, 1,865 of our young people have been killed and 14,021 have been wounded. At this rate, four more years means this:
• At least 5,595 will die. At least 42,063 will be wounded.
• At least 11,190 parents to grieve over their children's graves.
• At least 5,595 husbands and wives will have their loved one die.
To feed this, the volunteer rate will fall far short, and even the illegal extension of tours of duty won't help. Those of you who are reading this that are aged 15-23 are the one who will go to die.
Aren't you angry? You should, by all means, be out there protesting. Now days, with digital cameras and all the Databanks, eventually the Government tracks down the "dissidents" and will punish them with sanctions for being a weakening force to America. For speaking truth.
This is fundementally EVIL in my eyes. I am sickened by the whole thought. One in twenty of the young folks under 45 that you see on the street today will be in this war. If (and it most likely will) it goes for another 10 years, one in 25 of all the kids down to 10 years old will be in a war. The economy will be tapped. the country will go broke, and for what?
So a bunch of Sand Monkeys can Vote? So we can bring "Freedom" to the same fucker that trade their women for goats?
Bring them home.
My only hope and observation is that the farther that the pendulum swings in one direction (Reagan,Bush Sr.), the farther it swings the other way (Clinton).
I hope you all make it.
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sahlgoode
SENATOR BABYHEAD  Posts: 254 Registered: 7/6/2005 Offline
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8/25/2005 at 15:06 |
BeachGoat: I'm Canadian, therefore probably will gain hell for speeking up on this matter. After all our Prime Minister decided not to become a part of the coalition forces in Iraq. We do, however, have troops in Afghanistan.
The figures are too high now, for the paltry reasoning, and your projected figures should just make your fellow countrymen even angrier.
I have many friends, and relitives South of our border. Many of those I speak with on a weekly, or monthly basis via e-mail. When we bring the topic up, to a person, they all express more than a little concern for the future. What they are worried about is how America will fair when the last shot has sounded.
I'm not a very educated person. I've spent most of my life clinging to the four strings of my bass, and tuning out most of the world, so what follows is not my opinion, but that of the americans I do have discussions with.
They liken America today, as an Empire akin to that of old Rome. Old Rome did fall. They're waiting for the other shoe to drop. The first being 9/11. The second is when they actually have to deal with war (not terror) on their own soil.
There is no doubt that America is a powerful nation, and if Cheny gets his way (re: nukes in Iran), a very terrifiying one. My American friends are afraid of what may happen when those countries who understand that a pound of flesh must be exacted for 9/11, realize that it's now gone too far. What will happen if they form an alliance. First with words, then with sanctions, then finally with actions of a military nature.
The next four years is a concern, and the draft even more so, to my American friends. Some have children that will, no doubt, be eligible for the draft. They are concerned, in no uncertain terms, about escalation of anti-American sentiment growing beyond terrorist actions, and culminating into WWIII. Who is going to win that one? Certainly not you, or I.
Bring the boys (and girls) home. Lick your wounds, and start enjoying the beauty that is America. Spend the time, effort, and MONEY re-building the real relationship with the world outside your borders. The one that counts. If nothing else, you are America. Land of the brave, and home of the free. Expanding on that doesn't mean forcing a few sand mokeys to vote.
Yes BeachGoat, I am angry. Angry that the America I onced looked up to as a pillar of hope and freedom, is in danger of becoming a modern day Rome, burning, for a lot of bad reasons. Your troops, on your soil would be a much more effective deterant to terrorism than constanly poking a stick into a festering wound, thousands of miles away.
These are the most words I have ever strung together on the topic. BeachGoat's passionate plea for an answer: "Aren't you angry?" spoke to me as a member of the swarm, and cried out for a reply. This is mine.
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Uart
DARTH MENSES  Posts: 1228 Registered: 3/5/2005 Offline
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8/25/2005 at 16:00 |
To feed this, the volunteer rate will fall far short, and even the illegal extension of tours of duty won't help.
Out of curiosity, what exactly makes it illegal? The fact that you don't like it? It is perfectly legal and something that you SHOULD know going into the military. |
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DonQuixote
DARTH MENSES  Posts: 641 Registered: 4/22/2005 Offline
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8/25/2005 at 16:35 |
Out of REAL curiosity what do I have to have wrong with me to preclude me from the draft???
I have an anxiety disorder. OCD. Dyslexia. ADHD. I smoke. My balls are slightly larger than normal. And I'm twenty-six yrs old.
Will any of this keep me out of the draft.
Of course there's always money! Which I don't have any of but my family would gladly pay whomever whatever to keep me out of conflict.
BTW- Back door Draft and extended service should be illegal but it ain't. Unfortunately the people in power are assholes and they will take advantage of whatever they can to stay in powere AND keep fighting their money making wars (notice the plural part).
Time for another Hippie era
Peace Love Dope
I still can see numbers I type in the forums?!?!?!!?!
Seee 745743583798562378945638904563894!!
Nothing.
[Edited on 25/8/2005 by sofickingwat]
[Edited on 25/8/2005 by sofickingwat]
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qwerty
DARTH MENSES  Posts: 628 Registered: 9/8/2004 Offline
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8/25/2005 at 19:32  |
wtf I can't believe the number of american deaths.
The Australian SAS were some(not all) of the first in. And they still do the first wave of reconnaissance for most of your activity. However their death rate hasn't even breached the 20 death mark.
Maybe your americans should be trained to not shoot your own helicopters. Hell that and the fact I'm finishing a uni degree is the only reason I havn't done my time yet. I'm more scared of you yanks than the sand niggers.
You guys have gotta stop recruiting the morons and start offering smart people work and money to fight for you. Over here the recruitment is done at uni's and on tv by advertising trades and degree's. I bet your military doesn't even offer your troops free medical, rent, life insurance/pension, decent salaries. Anybody who serves over here gets treated with respect. We treat it as an honour. What do you do?
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mundhra
dread pirate neckbeard  SSHOLEPosts: 1620 Registered: 3/25/2002 Offline
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8/25/2005 at 19:43 |
qwerty: What do you do?
hate qwerty
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DonQuixote
DARTH MENSES  Posts: 641 Registered: 4/22/2005 Offline
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8/25/2005 at 21:19 |
mundhra: qwerty: What do you do?
hate qwerty

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jwalker
Token Discordian  SSHOLEPosts: 946 Registered: 8/6/2005 Offline
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8/25/2005 at 21:35 |
Qwerty: You guys have gotta stop recruiting the morons
...or stop morons from doing the recruiting? |
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vasudeva
Bad Taste in your Mouth  SSHOLEPosts: 4415 Registered: 3/8/2002 Offline
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8/25/2005 at 22:07 |
mundhra: qwerty: What do you do?
hate qwerty
HATE QWERTY

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ghostrider
liberal exit  SSHOLEPosts: 2425 Registered: 7/29/2004 Offline
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8/25/2005 at 22:18 |
heart qwerty
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dagwood
SENATOR BABYHEAD  Posts: 357 Registered: 12/19/2004 Offline
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8/26/2005 at 00:26 |
Hard qwerty

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acheron
Cynical_Malcontent  SSHOLEPosts: 556 Registered: 4/29/2004 Offline
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8/26/2005 at 02:36 |
The american public is already significantly suspicous of foreign wars without a draft-they're never doing it again. They may treat soldiers like shit but a draft is never happening. No public support. Anyone who puts it into effect is going to start losing elections HARD and so will their backers.
We're not going into Iran-Iraq is a playdough war compared to Iran-we might try to bomb them but it will never fly with Europe let alone the Arab world. Attacking Syria, Jordan is a gigantic mess waiting to happen and we can't handle it. North Korea has nuclear weapons, probably around 10 of them. We will NOT attack them.
South America is stronger economicly and militarily than they ever were in the past and in case you haven't noticed, we're currently being invaded by puerto rico and mexico and that constituency won't be down for it. As always we'll try to attack them by aiding terrorists and thugs, and it will probably half-way work. Otherwise I'd say things are going so well for the neo-cons, Chavez just kicked out the DEA-motherfucker has balls and oil.
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Mofo
dont give a shit  SSHOLEPosts: 423 Registered: 2/8/2004 Offline
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8/26/2005 at 03:10 |
They should give illegal mexicans a citizenship for doing a few tours. That way, we can kill two birds with one stone, and a bunch of illegal mexicans too. |
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acheron
Cynical_Malcontent  SSHOLEPosts: 556 Registered: 4/29/2004 Offline
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8/26/2005 at 05:06 |
I'm sure their considering it. Seriously.
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Uart
DARTH MENSES  Posts: 1228 Registered: 3/5/2005 Offline
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8/26/2005 at 06:11 |
Mofo: They should give illegal mexicans a citizenship for doing a few tours. That way, we can kill two birds with one stone, and a bunch of illegal mexicans too.
They do, actually. |
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RavenTalk
Tender vittles  Posts: 7 Registered: 8/19/2005 Offline
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8/26/2005 at 17:51 |
The coming draft is set up so both men and women will be drafted. Bush twins to the front lines. NOW!! |
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Mofo
dont give a shit  SSHOLEPosts: 423 Registered: 2/8/2004 Offline
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8/27/2005 at 02:29 |
They do, actually.
Really? I never knew they did that. |
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mex
SENATOR BABYHEAD  Posts: 111 Registered: 6/22/2005 Offline
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8/28/2005 at 06:29 |
[quote]Mofo: They should give illegal mexicans a citizenship for doing a few tours. That way, we can kill two birds with one stone, and a bunch of illegal mexicans too. [/quote]
How exactly do you propose to draft illegal mexicans? By definition they aren't registered with neither address nor identity. And in fact, what makes a mexican illegal? Economic migration always has, and always will be a part of human nature. To try and improve the lives of one's family at any cost should be lauded, not sneered at. I also think you'll find a lot of the dead in the vietnam debacle had names like gonzalez. Why don't you enlist, and show them how a real american should behave?
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government_death_robot
DARTH MENSES  Posts: 908 Registered: 4/23/2004 Offline
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8/28/2005 at 08:02 |
mex: Mofo: They should give illegal mexicans a citizenship for doing a few tours. That way, we can kill two birds with one stone, and a bunch of illegal mexicans too.
How exactly do you propose to draft illegal mexicans? By definition they aren't registered with neither address nor identity. And in fact, what makes a mexican illegal? Economic migration always has, and always will be a part of human nature. To try and improve the lives of one's family at any cost should be lauded, not sneered at. I also think you'll find a lot of the dead in the vietnam debacle had names like gonzalez. Why don't you enlist, and show them how a real american should behave?
Are you really Mexican?
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mex
SENATOR BABYHEAD  Posts: 111 Registered: 6/22/2005 Offline
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8/30/2005 at 05:43 |
[quote]government_death_robot: [quote]mex: [quote]Mofo: They should give illegal mexicans a citizenship for doing a few tours. That way, we can kill two birds with one stone, and a bunch of illegal mexicans too. [/quote]
How exactly do you propose to draft illegal mexicans? By definition they aren't registered with neither address nor identity. And in fact, what makes a mexican illegal? Economic migration always has, and always will be a part of human nature. To try and improve the lives of one's family at any cost should be lauded, not sneered at. I also think you'll find a lot of the dead in the vietnam debacle had names like gonzalez. Why don't you enlist, and show them how a real american should behave? [/quote]
Are you really Mexican? [/quote]
Nah, I"m English, but I don't like illogical hatred, be it skin colour or whatever. I just hate prejudice in any form. Allcomers are welcome to atack me here but place of birth, ancetstry, etc mean nothing. In the end when one matures, you realise that we're all human. Except Bush and Blaire.
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Navyguy
Tender vittles  Posts: 16 Registered: 5/8/2006 Offline
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5/9/2006 at 04:12 |
well drafting of illegal immigrants wont happen however there are programs to help legal immigrants to enlist and it helps to waive required time spent in the US to become a citizen. I am actually in school now paid for by the navy, granted some will say i took the pussy way out, and in ways they are right, i dont wanna get shot, call me crazy, but im lookin at doing JAG, as far as enlisting smart people that wont happen, smart people go to school and become officers. Its funny however how quickly people will show that they are none patriotic and its truely saddening for people like me, or my friends that are already serving to know that the people and country we fight for dont always support us. do i think some of the bullshit that happens is senseless yes, but thats war, we cant live in love and peace, shit like that doesnt happen. Will we attack others, yes we probably will lets not be oblivious to that, korea hell no, acheron is right they have nukes and the US gov't isnt that dumb, yet. do i support what we are doing yes, do i hope that we continue our conquest on terrorism yes, but there are ways of doing it besides the theory of lets go blow the world up. Its a shame cause the only sure fire person who could help lead us properly and respectfully refuses to run because of a wife with mental problems, i see us actually going into iran sooner or later and that will be a horrifying sight if we are already dumb founded by the death rates we have now as Iran is much better trained equiped ect. Going into the military however you accept the risk of death. ITS PART OF THE GOD DAMNED JOB. those grieving parents while i feel pity for them should have atleast taken to heart when their child took the ASVAB signed the papers and shipped to boot or OCS that this was an inherited risk. |
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makavi
Tender vittles  Posts: 1 Registered: 5/16/2006 Offline
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5/16/2006 at 01:11 |
Draft The Mexicans!
4 years of Army = U.S. Citizen
http://www.draftthemexicans.com
My thoughts are of World Peace!
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