Clavis_Apocalypticae
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7/20/2005 at 03:24  |
Wow...what a long, strange trip it's been. Building a business from scratch is an arduous journey, much tougher than I would have thought a year ago. I won't bore you with the details, as it isn't the point of my post. I will say, however, that it has been absolutely worth it every step of the way.
I've decided to take on the creation of the website myself (what a dumbfuk, right?), even though I know 3/10's of fuk-all about webdesign, web languages, or programming. I want to start simple, and work up if I have to. All I need to create is the front page (obviously), contact, about us, products/services pages; a photo gallery where I can dynamically create new password protected albums; and a shopping/ecommerce area.
The hosting company provides a bunch of tools (cgi-bin, Front Page, phpNuke/BB, a WYSIWYG editor, Agora eCommerce, Gallery 1.5RC2, mySQL support, etc)
I think I can wing the HTML for the basic pages well enough...it's this other shit that's making me nervous.
I would be ever so grateful for any suggestions anyone might have. This little project is a personal challenge for me, so I'm not asking that anyone do my homework for me. It just stands to reason that many of you make your bones off this kind of stuff, and that you'd be a more precise source of help than just Googling this shit. There are a million sites with a million bits of information on this stuff, but I'm really looking for what works without having to spend my summer just digging through useless information.
I know I've been incredibly vague, so if you have questions for me, please feel free.
Sincerely,
Clavis
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dragonstaff
Too old to Rock and Roll...too young to die  SSHOLEPosts: 787 Registered: 8/19/2004 Offline
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7/20/2005 at 04:18 |
Clavis, My wife is currently studying web design, and her first words on reading this were " I'll do it for US$500".
Her second comment is more use to you. There is a program from Adobe called "Dreamweaver" which is a web site design and creation tool. Apperently it gives you all or most of the stuff you mentioned, with the advantage of being Photoshop-compatible ( so you make your images in PS and bring them in ) and it gives you Wizards for a lot of it as well. It also makes it easy to build for cross-browser functionality, at least for IE and the Fox.
She also says, forcfully, do not use any Microsoft programs, but I figure you are smarter than that anyway. FrontPage probably falls into this catergory, as it does the build in Word.
If you need any more info on this, or any hints, feel free to PM me, and I will get the Boss to reply.Her college also pays her to tutor her peers in this, so she must be doing OK.
[Edited on 20/7/2005 by dragonstaff]
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government_death_robot
DARTH MENSES  Posts: 953 Registered: 4/23/2004 Offline
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7/20/2005 at 08:19 |
Don't overdo it with graphics that look cheesey...
Like clouds and nuclear engines mixed together and a picture of a smiling baby drinking toxic waste while the hand of God appears from the sky, and shoots lightning that zaps in the form of [company name].
That's actually a pretty good idea. COPYRIGHT MEEEEEE.
[Edited on 20/7/2005 by government_death_robot]
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ghostrider
liberal exit  SSHOLEPosts: 2525 Registered: 7/29/2004 Offline
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7/20/2005 at 12:18 |
Make sure there is a pic of that robot skeleton from Terminater.
That would be cool.
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qwerty
DARTH MENSES  Posts: 628 Registered: 9/8/2004 Offline
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7/20/2005 at 13:15 |
if you can make a webpage then I'll give you webspace and a subdomain name at Evilstalker.com
e.g. Clavis_is_a.evilstalker.com
As for building it why not just download phpnuke like everyone else and make your space on the web just like everyone else's
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vasudeva
Bad Taste in your Mouth  SSHOLEPosts: 4618 Registered: 3/8/2002 Offline
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7/20/2005 at 14:06 |
The hosting company provides a bunch of tools (cgi-bin, Front Page, phpNuke/BB, a WYSIWYG editor, Agora eCommerce, Gallery 1.5RC2, mySQL support, etc)
Do NOT go with php-nuke. There are a ton of really good, free CMSes out there and phpnuke is very near the bottom of the heap. Anyone offering php-nuke as part of a hosting package is in my view acting with bad faith and should be stricken with plague.
Do NOT go with Front Page. Ever. Ever ever. I'd rather see you on php-nuke than using Front Page.
Ideally, don't use any WYSIWYG editor at all for the creation of the site itself. They always teach really bad habits and leave you confused as to just what the fuk is going on under the hood. I can give you examples if you like, but the lesson seems to be that if it empowers an idiot to do something cool, then the idiot will remain an idiot, and when the cool things breaks, he will have no idea what to do. I know you have the brains to meet this challenge; I don't know if you have the time though. Plenty of us can help you if you do.
P.S. Do NOT go with evilstalker.com. Do you really want more qwerty in your life?
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qwerty
DARTH MENSES Posts: 628 Registered: 9/8/2004 Offline
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7/20/2005 at 14:16 |
what about postnuke?
or edge? or jetbox? or the soon to be EvilStalkerCMS?
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lutefisk
Impregnator to the Stars  SSHOLEPosts: 4 Registered: 7/11/2005 Offline
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7/20/2005 at 16:48 |
Start learning HTML first. No need to get into the tools your hosting company offers you just yet; first build the site, define and scope out your needs, and then look into how these or other tools will help you fulfill those needs. The biggest pitfall of building a site is picking your tool before figuring out what you want. And then you're stuck with a piece of shit, and you haven't learned anything.
It's possible you don't need to learn too much outside of HTML; there are a lot of OSS packages that you can leverage to build out an entire site. Check out opensourcecms to learn about those packages. |
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Lefen
I think Clavis wins my heart <3  SSHOLEPosts: 908 Registered: 9/16/2003 Offline
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7/20/2005 at 17:14 |
P.S. Do NOT go with evilstalker.com. Do you really want more qwerty in your life?
It's a fuking cool domain name though 
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vasudeva
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7/20/2005 at 17:26 |
Lefen:
P.S. Do NOT go with evilstalker.com. Do you really want more qwerty in your life?
It's a fuking cool domain name though
Eh. It's no shitfucker5000.com.
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Clavis_Apocalypticae
Beautiful Puppet of Chaos SSHOLEPosts: 789 Registered: 5/16/2004 Offline
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7/21/2005 at 04:11 |
dragonstaff: Clavis, My wife is currently studying web design, and her first words on reading this were " I'll do it for US$500".
Heh...I may take her up on it if this gets to be too much
dragonstaff:Her second comment is more use to you. There is a program from Adobe called "Dreamweaver" which is a web site design and creation tool. Apperently it gives you all or most of the stuff you mentioned, with the advantage of being Photoshop-compatible ( so you make your images in PS and bring them in ) and it gives you Wizards for a lot of it as well. It also makes it easy to build for cross-browser functionality, at least for IE and the Fox.
I'm down with Dreamweaver. I actually played around with it a few years ago, and made myself a pretty useful startpage...kind of a page where I put all my Favorites in link form. I may look into using it again.
dragonstaff: She also says, forcfully, do not use any Microsoft programs, but I figure you are smarter than that anyway. FrontPage probably falls into this catergory, as it does the build in Word.
Thank you very much...I AM smarter than that :>
vasudeva: Do NOT go with php-nuke. There are a ton of really good, free CMSes out there and phpnuke is very near the bottom of the heap.
I don't anticipate anything but the photo galleries requiring any sort of content management. The rest of the site should be pretty static, so I wasn't anticipating using pN. I didn't realize it was craptacular though, so thanks for the tip, y0.
vasudeva: Ideally, don't use any WYSIWYG editor at all for the creation of the site itself. They always teach really bad habits and leave you confused as to just what the fuk is going on under the hood.
The reason I'm leaning toward Dreamweaver is because I can toggle between WSYIWYG and code views...I'm definitely looking to make this not a one-time exercise, but a true learning experience.
vasudeva: I can give you examples if you like, but the lesson seems to be that if it empowers an idiot to do something cool, then the idiot will remain an idiot, and when the cool things breaks, he will have no idea what to do.
Exactly the situation I want to avoid. I see this the same as I see any other segment of my business...I want to know it inside and out. If I pay someone to do this, and something goes wrong, I have to rely on someone who isn't as vested in the big picture as I am to fix it. Maybe I'll contract that out someday, but not until I know the nuts and bolts well enough to do it myself. Then I know when someone's trying to hose me :>
vasudeva: I know you have the brains to meet this challenge; I don't know if you have the time though. Plenty of us can help you if you do.
Thank you. Your vote of confidence means much to me. I'll try to keep my questions to a bare minimum...you fukers have lives to lead, too. Again, I appreciate your willingness to help my dumb ass.
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vasudeva:
P.S. Do NOT go with evilstalker.com. Do you really want more qwerty in your life?
Niger please...I need more Qwerty in my life like OJ needs another ded white bitch showing up at his house. clavis_is_an.evilstalker.com is almost too good to pass up, though. Almost...
Thanks again, all.
Clavis
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dagwood
DARTH MENSES  Posts: 425 Registered: 12/19/2004 Offline
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7/21/2005 at 13:26 |
Clavis, that has got to be the most bracing example of a man recognizing his limitations and reaching out for help to do something that may be bigger than him than I have yet seen on the internets. I didn't know you had it in you. Good luck with your site and all, wish I could help, but I just got the training wheels off and leveled up.
I would also like to publicly apologize for that comment about your sister, if you've even got one, it was unnecessary and uncalled for. I'll leave you with this:
 peace out
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DARTH MENSES  Posts: 1228 Registered: 3/5/2005 Offline
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7/21/2005 at 16:19 |
vasudeva: P.S. Do NOT go with evilstalker.com. Do you really want all of the images on your site to be photochopped H.Duff boobie pics??
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