McGoatCheese
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5/20/2005 at 21:26 |
As a naivete youth of 25 I figure I would toss this half formed idea out for public consumption. We have drivers licenses, fishing permits, Marriage Licenses, etc. And yet there's one activity that i consider a highly important and dangerous task that is never tested or questioned. Having children. Being a parent i consider to be one of the largest responsibilities a person can undertake and yet there's no restrictions, guidlines, or even suggestions given.
I'm just going to go right to the most extreme proposal i can think of, i know it is extreme and maybe over the top, but it's completely in my mind necessary.
1. At birth every single person should be chemically (but reversibly) sterilized.
2. When you reach a point in your life when you are ready to have kids you need to prove that you are:
2a. responsible enough to care for a child
2b. finacially and or in some other manner able to care for the child without having to be subsudized.
3. If you meet both the above requirements then you're unsterilized long enough to have your child.
4. if more children are wanted, rinse and repeat.
come on kids, lets here some opinions.
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Heather
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5/20/2005 at 21:49 |
Do you get to procreate if you are a shitty speller? 
Sterilization at birth would not mess with development? Puberty?
Child rearing – scrutinized, publicly. You want to be a parent? Consent to a live feed in your home to social services. Discipline meted out with tact, with respect for your child since she is a human being after all. Respect and love and terror. Seriously, man if your 16-year-old son has the temerity to push you, you have failed. At 16, he outweighs you, he is a foot taller than you but if he’s not scared of you, you’re screwed. Children are not mini-adults fit to share in your problems and support you in your stupidity. Lean on them enough to show them responsibility and to judge their character and shape as needed. Lean on them because your husband left you, your boss is mean or your neighbor threatens to shoot your dog, not acceptable. Take from them emotional support and surrender parental control. |
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dent
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5/20/2005 at 22:52 |
Half the nations parents should never have been allowed to have children.
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vladtweano
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5/20/2005 at 23:36 |
fuk yes, license parents. fuk it. the test will have one question: pronounce the word "nuclear". that should raise the collective IQ by a few points anyway. also, 2 kids, no more. zero population growth, enforced by crotch kicking. also, the test should be rigged to totally exclude kansans, texans and floridians. anyone caught procreating without a license will be forced to adopt a dozen orphans from a pool of starving asian crack babies, and care for them until death. if they prefer death, the brute squad can oblige, but only after more crotch kicking. the brute squad needs volunteers. come on, don't you love your country or something?
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IMBOLCPunxsutawneyPhil
SENATOR BABYHEAD  Posts: 244 Registered: 3/17/2005 Offline
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5/20/2005 at 23:41 |
It would be too submissive to give up reproductive rights for any notion of goodness.
We shouldn't allow people to be ruthless to the point where they can prevent others from doing what is genetically programed for all organisms.
If you don't think that all people can have a chance to be who they are without your approval; then by all means start killing them now, fire up your ovens and landfills for those worthless husks of flesh.
To heather's points, which are all excellent by the way, they still assume an individual's ability to be able to determine their own destiny without an overseer.
why should I give up all responsibility to a social system? Haven't you ever noticed that licenses don't do anything other than provide a legal framework for fines, prosecution, and beaurocratic oppression? When is the last time a driver's license kept an idiot off the road?
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vladtweano
DARTH MENSES Posts: 517 Registered: 3/11/2002 Offline
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5/20/2005 at 23:51 |
IMBOLCPunxsutawneyPhil: We shouldn't allow people to be ruthless to the point where they can prevent others from doing what is genetically programed for all organisms.
unless those people are me.
If you don't think that all people can have a chance to be who they are without your approval; then by all means start killing them now, fire up your ovens and landfills for those worthless husks of flesh.
i'm glad we agree. dude you would NOT BELIEVE the amount of opposition i get to this very idea. PSSH. some people, you know?
Haven't you ever noticed that licenses don't do anything other than provide a legal framework for fines, prosecution, and beaurocratic oppression?
YES!
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vasudeva
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5/21/2005 at 00:47 |
- Birth-control drugs are in the water, everywhere. Everyone gets an approved daily dose through food and drink.
- Anti-birth-control pills are available.
- They cost $5000 apiece.
- They have an effective period of 24 hours, requiring you to know some science and maintain a relationship with a licensed medical professional to time your fertility cycle.
- You have to pass an IQ test with at least an average score.
WELCOME TO VASUDEVIA, FUKERS! WEEDING OUT THE MOPES, YES?!
[Edited on 5/21/2005 by vasudeva]
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Clavis_Apocalypticae
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5/21/2005 at 01:16 |
vasudeva:
WELCOME TO VASUDEVIA, FUKERS! WEEDING OUT THE MOPES, YES?!
[Edited on 5/21/2005 by vasudeva]
d00d....I am SO there
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middle_age_man
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5/21/2005 at 02:34 |
If the poor aren’t allowed to procreate, how would the armed forces get new cannon fodder? A meal at a fast food joint would be at least fifty dollars and who the hell would keep the bathrooms clean at work?
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Acidburn
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5/21/2005 at 03:17 |
I'm still fucking in shock they let me have a kid.
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Clavis_Apocalypticae
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5/21/2005 at 03:54 |
middle_age_man: If the poor aren’t allowed to procreate, how would the armed forces get new cannon fodder? A meal at a fast food joint would be at least fifty dollars and who the hell would keep the bathrooms clean at work?
Well you could set it up on a revolving schedule, like emissions testing for cars. If you were born during an odd-numbered year, you could only reproduce, say, once every 7 years, commencing from your 18th birthday, but only during even-numbered years. So, if you were born in 1971, your 18th would be in 1989, and you'd be eligible to conceive your first child in 1996. You wouldn't be eligible again until 2004, and not again until you were 41 in 2012. Juxtapose odd/even for even/odd if you were born during an even numbered year.
Also, my dad is an executive at the largest steel company on the planet. I didn't exactly grow up poor, yet I spent four years as "cannon fodder". Poor kids aren't the only ones who join the military, is my point.
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qwerty
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5/21/2005 at 07:20 |
good idea in china but in Australia we need to take in immigrates because the population doesn't sustain itself completely. So unfortunatly even the dipshits need to have children that will work in the factories and run cheap business to pass the saving onto me the consumer.
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BeachGoat
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5/21/2005 at 10:16 |
vasudeva: - Birth-control drugs are in the water, everywhere. Everyone gets an approved daily dose through food and drink.
- Anti-birth-control pills are available.
- They cost $5000 apiece.
- They have an effective period of 24 hours, requiring you to know some science and maintain a relationship with a licensed medical professional to time your fertility cycle.
- You have to pass an IQ test with at least an average score.
VasEugenics!
VladTweeno:"also, 2 kids, no more. zero population growth, enforced by crotch kicking."
I reproduced myself & my mate, then got fixed. I have, however, raised more kids than that, cause there's always extras.
Children: As much Fun to Make as they are to Beat!
WELCOME TO VASUDEVIA, FUKERS! WEEDING OUT THE MOPES, YES?!
[Edited on 5/21/2005 by vasudeva]
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IMBOLCPunxsutawneyPhil
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5/21/2005 at 15:47 |
ah, Mr Samsara with his "pay by the bullet theory"...
Let's elaborate. Bill hix [comix extraordinary and ded] said, let's not outlaw guns, just make bullets 2000$ a piece.
I think its interesting that population control and coercion have been together since day one. Thomas Malthus, a crotechety old church bugger wanted control as well--China, our most favorite trading partner [NOW with Human Rites™!] and the eugenic experiments in the 1950's with mental patient sterilization, all show how stupidily dangerous this concept is. We have no valid standards for judging another's right to procreate or more importantly, decide in a blanket statement that some people should never be born.
The parents may be retreads but the kids might turn out to be wonderfully amazingly better than any "noble pure blue-blood". Conversely, many rich fuks have stupid children [refer to exhibit a: Prep. School]. While quite a few po' folk turn out some damn fine kids [ examples abound ad. absurdum].
To complicate things we are all stupid enough as a society [exhibit c, Second Term of G.B., etc.] that we will undoutably sponsor only rich white kids who love Mc Donald's and Halliburton. The brown folk will suffer; if its in a place where there are more brown folk, the inverse will occur.
People are too stupid to meddle with nature, and society is a poor construct to attempt anything more than facilitating social control so that there can be a power eliete and every half-wit aspires to be one instead of rethinking the whole failed endevour.
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Uart
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5/21/2005 at 16:46 |
"Inspired by the most logical race in the galaxy, the Vulcans, breeding will be permitted once every seven years. For many of you this will mean much less breeding, for me, much much more. "
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5/21/2005 at 18:01 |
Whew, good thing I started before the revolution.
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vasudeva
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5/21/2005 at 18:43 |
IMBOLCPunxsutawneyPhil: I think its interesting that population control and coercion have been together since day one. Thomas Malthus, a crotechety old church bugger wanted control as well--China, our most favorite trading partner [NOW with Human Rites™!] and the eugenic experiments in the 1950's with mental patient sterilization, all show how stupidily dangerous this concept is. We have no valid standards for judging another's right to procreate or more importantly, decide in a blanket statement that some people should never be born.
Yeah, it's really not a workable idea, and I certainly couldn't trust any governing authority to wield such control over reproductive rights. It's too bad people couldn't consciously follow such ideas on their own, but then, if they showed that much insight, there would be far few problems with them breeding in the first place.
It's a problem that's ultimately less offensive than any organized solution.
But damn, I can dream of a perfect world.
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IMBOLCPunxsutawneyPhil
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5/21/2005 at 20:19 |
I sometimes wonder how to kill people off systemically in such a way that the Smart Ones don't get knocked off.
War, religion, famine, pestilence, plague, nukes, and STDs seem to be too plural in their ability to kill off "good folks" as well as depleting the genepool from the shallow end.
Now the idea of stopping the bad fuks from getting here is nice, but truly fanciful--it takes about 10-16 years to see if they are going to be assfucks or good people; and the problem is that your standards will vary, but we can still say a hooker with a heart of gold is worth having over The First Lady®, or the teen maga-pop-sensation.
I think we should allow more crack addiction in this country, more abilities to commit suicide from your stupidity--like selling poision pills, encouraging suicide, promoting gangsta rap, etc.
We can't blame people for being born, but we can accuse them for being alive for too long.
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vladtweano
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5/23/2005 at 12:38 |
IMBOLCPunxsutawneyPhil: I sometimes wonder how to kill people off systemically in such a way that the Smart Ones don't get knocked off.
My idea: genetically engineer a predator that you must be smart enough to avoid. maybe it jumps out of the bushes and gives you a quiz or something.
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5/23/2005 at 14:50 |
vladtweano: My idea: genetically engineer a predator that you must be smart enough to avoid. maybe it jumps out of the bushes and gives you a quiz or something.
i would like to subscribe to your newsletter, good sir.
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vladtweano
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5/23/2005 at 15:10 |
also maybe: remove all rescue facilities from wilderness areas, destroy trailheads and parking areas. replace all signs with "welcome to howling wilderness. contains dangerous wildlife and unpredictable weather. no rescue facilities available. have a nice day."
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freakmachine
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5/23/2005 at 18:12 |
vasudeva:
Yeah, it's really not a workable idea, and I certainly couldn't trust any governing authority to wield such control over reproductive rights. It's too bad people couldn't consciously follow such ideas on their own, but then, if they showed that much insight, there would be far few problems with them breeding in the first place.
Yep. It's the stupidity of the human race that keeps it stupid. Catch-22 motherfuckers.
Failing the dreamy world filled with sunshine and daisies and effective population control, maybe there could be some sort of parenting education in schools? For example, "This is a baby. It is not a punching bag or a sex toy. Please feed it regularly and teach it to tie it's shoes." But any regulated parenting program would probably be as lame as those education courses they make teachers take. Catch-22 again. |
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dagwood
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5/23/2005 at 18:13  |
Where's Frans when you need him?
He'd have the answer to our troubles YES.
It's nice to see that I'm not the only one arrogant enough to be seriously inclined to add some chlorine to the gene pool,
I've often thought that the entire Third World needs to be sterilized through their water systems.
How's that breeding limitation in China working out.?
The birth rate in many developed countries including, Italy. Sweden, Japan and the US is below maintenance levels.
How about a Logan's Run thing? If you haven't made the grade by 30, you don't procreate or continue.
Some good folks did their best work after that age though.
It all begins to have a ring of anarchy or DA Nazis, cool if you're one of the chosen.
It seems more important to some housekeeping of the current stock.
Gun control-GONE, KILL EM ALL!!!
Remove warning labels from dangerous goods-Go ON use that hairdryer in the tub.
Would it become too random to remove the speed limit, lotta fools would get their Darwin award that way.
Selective healthcare, oh yeah we already got that. Pass a test of intelligence/ competence
or do not pass go unless your injury/illness was caused by said idiot.
Noteworthy is the fact that I, and I suspect almost all y'all were unplanned pregnacies. If you had to plan it ,
it wouldn't happen, we're all lovely mistakes in the first place. It is only by sheer selfishness, and not a lack of
opportunity that I have done my part to control the population. We should all be so responsible.
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redhook
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6/26/2005 at 03:04 |
Would it become too random to remove the speed limit, lotta fools would get their Darwin award that way.
Yeah, but they frequently take otherwise perfectly viable human beings with them whose only shortcoming was using the same stretch of asphalt at the same time. We haven't got the precognitive angle worked out quite yet.
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Mofo
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6/26/2005 at 07:34 |
If you want to slow down the birthrate, make less third world countries. Well off nations -US, Britian, France, etc - have much less kids because there is no need for them. We no longer need to have ten kids. People in India and Africa, however do.
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MadTurk
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6/26/2005 at 12:12 |
vasudeva: - [In Vasudevia], birth-control drugs are in the water, everywhere. Everyone gets an approved daily dose through food and drink.
The pharm's beat you to it. "Birth control pills, estrogen replacement drugs [etc...]: all of these products could turn up in your next glass of tap water, according to the United States Geological Survey (USGS)."(clicky)
Mofo: If you want to slow down the birthrate, make less third world countries. So, instead of sterilization, how bout education?
Mofo - what you suggest is at the foundation of demographic transition theory (see below). It assumes that the 3rd world will change its fertility patterns if it industrializes. It ignores, however, the strength of social institutions, traditions and practices (culture, in general), and that is its basic flaw.
P.S. This thread smacks of "birthism." It assumes that all people can procreate if they are healthy adults. My partner and I have been trying to have kids for 7 years now, to no avail. No genetic sprog for the turk, no matter how "deserving" or "undeserving."
[Edited on 6/26/2005 by MadTurk]
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6/26/2005 at 21:46 |
Wouldn't work; A) We're all idiots at 18 (or 21), when we most likely would be tested. B) You can't stop people from fucking, C) you couldn't get people to let you sterilize their kids. You'd get thrown out of office faster than you could scream the word shit.
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