Ginjin
Tender vittles  Posts: 7 Registered: 5/16/2004 Offline
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1/11/2005 at 08:34 |
Gday people of the swarm....its been a long long time since I posted....not that I posted much anyway...and the site looks good Vas but I'm not used to it yet.....but to get to the point of this post....I see a couple of you have Dune quotes a siggys and I was wondering if you guys and girls enjoyed the series that has been released on dvd and do you think they will do the next part of the story?
....Also I am currently reading The Battle of Corrin by Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson....have you guys read the books Brian and Kevin have written and do you think they will be able to write the 7th and last book in the original series and make it passable?
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LORDKAHUNA
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1/11/2005 at 12:38 |
The movie was vile.
But the books are excellent although I believe Brian Herbert had nothing to do with that. Anderson probably had to give him a reach-around cause the Herberts have held on to Franks intellectual property too long, now they sell out to the highest bidder (viola shitmovie).
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ragoo
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1/11/2005 at 13:50 |
LORDKAHUNA: The movie was vile.
Dude, what movie? Surely not the 1984 Lynch flick. That's teh stuff of legend. The only movie I've seen in the theater where the ushers hand you a glossary before you go in.
As for the two Sci-Fi Channel miniseries, the first was awful. The acting was mostly good, and the atmosphere was almost so deliberately anti-Lynch that it had a certain appeal. But the SPFX were godawful, especially their minimalist use of bluescreen--opting instead to depict the sweeping Arrakis vistazs by using rear projection. Looked more like the original Star Trek, shot in a TV studio.
The second miniseries, Children of Dune, was somewhat better--including a much better Lady Jessica played by Alice Krige (the Borg Queen from ST: First Contact). Better acting, more violence and more engrossing story overall. Plus CGI effects this time.
I read the whole Dune series years ago and loved it. I think Herbert was tipping off his rocker toward the end...but still an enjoyable read.
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LORDKAHUNA
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1/11/2005 at 14:19 |
I speak of the miniseries, I half expected to see Kevin Sorbo swinging a sword and decapitating Fremen at one point.
The only thing favorable about it is the fact that they stuck to the story, something Lynch wasn't able to do due to the climate of Hollywood back then (it's rumored that 3 hrs of film wound up on the cutting room floor).
But even with his limitations, Lynch produced a better movie.
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HOBO
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1/11/2005 at 14:31 |
Sting should have won an Oscar.
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vasudeva
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1/11/2005 at 14:33 |
HOLLA.
The Lynch movie was a monumental classic. I find most of the people who don't like it hate it, and they also happen to either hate Lynch or hate complexity. Nuff said about that.
The mini-series is a fuking travesty. A travesty. When the stupid new Baron Harkonnen floated up and looked directly into the camera for his im-alive-IM-ALIVE scene, I wanted to get up and walk out of the theater, except I was already home.
Plus, as a SciFi production, it looked just like any other SciFi production. Their future is very very clean, with ambient blue light everywhere, and every single item has gone through some kind of upgrade process where now it's Futuristik and SciFi (tm). Contrast that to Lynch's view, where things were almost medieval or baroque. I think that view is probably more realistic, not to mention much more interesting and textured.
As for fidelity to the books, the SciFi garbage wins hands-down, no question. But then, why is that such a sticking point? Dogged faithfulness to the print version is not always such a good thing. They're different formats.
Remember Kubrick's the Shining? Awesome film. Different from the book (which was also rad). There was a made-for-TV version about a year ago, with the guy from Wings and Rebecca DeMornay (who I admit I loathe fully) and it was crappy. It was also atomically faithful to the book.
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ghostrider
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1/11/2005 at 14:45 |
The Lynch movie had elements of the first three books. Still r0x0rs though.
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LuckyLuciano
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1/11/2005 at 16:58 |
The original film was quite good. I liked the part when Sting got a knife in his throat. I just wish that the film could have been longer, since its based on a whole series of books. I didn't like the part near the end of how they just fast-forwarded the fremen battles to when the emperor comes to arrakis.
I liked parts of that miniseries on the SciFi channel. I liked how they stuck to the books. Unfortunately, the end result looks like there wasn't a real budget for the show.
As for the newer books, they aren't too bad. I've read all of the "House" books and some of the prequel stuff, like the Butlerian Jihad. Its kind of interesting to see how things started, but I think the writers are really starting to stretch it here and there.
All in all, Dune is a great series. Kind of a darker, more medieval look at the future.
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acheron
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1/11/2005 at 17:12 |
I'm all about the complexity but I thought the movie was bad. I can't even stand the first sequence, "Arrakis...Dune....Desert Planet." Maybe I'm missing something, or maybe its just that its dated and I can't get in to it.
Along this same line, what do you guys think is the best adaptation of a book to cinema? I have one candidate but I'll hold it inside.
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vasudeva
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1/11/2005 at 18:00 |
AcheronDCS: Along this same line, what do you guys think is the best adaptation of a book to cinema? I have one candidate but I'll hold it inside. Can we rule out LOTR? I think that's going to be the ultimate #1, but it's such a fuking anomaly for exactly that reason, it'll skew the results.
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ghostrider
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1/11/2005 at 18:06 |
The Name Of The Rose
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LuckyLuciano
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1/11/2005 at 18:32 |
Just one book converted to one film, or a whole series converted to a series of films?
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mundhra
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1/11/2005 at 18:49 |
the horse whisperer
god, how i cried |
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Heather
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1/11/2005 at 18:49 |
ghostrideryyz: The Name Of The Rose Was that the sean connery munk film? Divine comedy and Jesuit order of investigators? I loved it.
Adaptation Faves:
Count of Monte Cristo
Stand By Me (short story, The Body by Stephen King)
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acheron
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1/11/2005 at 18:53 |
I think we can take LOTR out of the running. I'm talking about series and individual films, anything is game thats based/ adapted from a book.
If you've ever seen the green mile (King book), I think about 100% of the dialogue is pulled from the book. The people in the cells were even on the right sides. I think it was a film that was wholly true to the book.
Fight Club, in my opinion, was very true to the tone of the book, even if they changed it around a bit too much. Discuss.
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Albuterol
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1/12/2005 at 05:01 |
Vasudeva:The Lynch movie was a monumental classic.
You said the magic words, bitch. Albuterol is rising from his Megagrave for this shit.
Lynch's Dune was a monumental piece of shit. Really. Reinterpretation of a text is absolutely necessary to create great film in many circumstances, but R.A.P.E. is unacceptable. The complexity of the original novel is exactly what makes it such an amazing work. It's serious science fiction, but at the same time reaches far beyond the level of plot and character depth of much of classical fiction. Every element of the story was tied to every other element. Lynch didn't just cut some of the shit out, which would have been totally understandable; he changed pieces of the story for no fucking reason. Irulan's diatribe about speedy space travel? RONG!!! It wrecks all of the cultural and economic underpinnings of the universe. (I can’t mention that scene without mentioning shitty filmmaking. Irulan fades in and out and in and out, then forgets to mention some shit, then goes on to mention that she forgot to mention some shit while continuing to fade in and out. Fuck. I hate it.)
Harkonnen poot-poot-pooting around with his goddamned pooty machine like a blubbering shit-filled condom? RONG!!! Motherfucker was a crazy conniving genius; filthy, but filthy with style.
Dubbed internal monologues? RONG!!! (Cuz it’s stupid.)
“Dune… Arrakis… Desert planet” x2? RONG!!! (Cuz it sucks.)
A bunch of other shit that I hated? RONG!!!! (Cuz it sucked.)
Set design rocked, for sure, but H.R. Giger gets all of the credit...
...The End.
(I can't stand that fucking movie.)
Love,
Albutters.
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Lumpy_McKwiz
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1/12/2005 at 10:57 |
The mini series sucked ass huge, love the movie forever in a kind of retro-nostalgic kind of way. It is a stretch from the book to put it mildly, but the weirding module addition probably is what made the sell to Hollywood producers. Pretty hard to convince them of planetary domination with worm tooth knives... at least on film.
Here is a good thought provoker, give the 1999 era Wachowski Brothers full creative reign of a Dune remake.
-Jessica Alba as Chani.... mmmmm spray-painted-on still suit.
-Gary Oldman as the Baron.
-Brad Pit as Fayde? Hes got the moves ala Troy, crazyness ala Fight cLub
-Joe Rogan as Paul Atreides, hahaha.
-Anthony Hopkins as the Emperor.
I could go on for hours
Sorry if I am a tad loopy, I just drove from Vancouver BC to Los Angeles with only a 5 hour nap, 1400 miles.
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vasudeva
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1/12/2005 at 14:29 |
Albuterol: Vasudeva:The Lynch movie was a monumental classic.
Reinterpretation of a text is absolutely necessary to create great film in many circumstances, but R.A.P.E. is unacceptable.
Apparently Herbert himself didn't agree.
YOU WANNA ARGUE WITH FRANK HERBERT?!
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1/12/2005 at 14:53 |
AcheronDCS: I think we can take LOTR out of the running. I'm talking about series and individual films, anything is game thats based/ adapted from a book.
If you've ever seen the green mile (King book), I think about 100% of the dialogue is pulled from the book. The people in the cells were even on the right sides. I think it was a film that was wholly true to the book.
Fight Club, in my opinion, was very true to the tone of the book, even if they changed it around a bit too much. Discuss.
Fight Club (book) has our heroes comitting murder, and pushing burning office equipment out windows onto the crowd below. That really should of been in the movie.
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Heather
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1/12/2005 at 15:15 |
I heartily concur, Ghost. |
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Heather
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1/12/2005 at 15:16 |
But please GOD don't let them make Chuck's Survivor into a film. That book was terrible.
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acheron
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1/12/2005 at 16:23 |
heh heh. He said "crapcock". And yes it should have been in the movie.
Albutters, good to see ya.
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1/12/2005 at 20:17 |
Ragoo: As for the two Sci-Fi Channel miniseries, the first was awful.
vasudeva: The mini-series is a fuking travesty. A travesty.
Lumpy: The mini series sucked ass huge.
Agreed. Sci-Fi produces some real crap. Even worse than Dune was their recent R.A.P.E. of LeGuin's EarthSea Trilogy. While not in the same category as Tolkein or Lewis, the original was a viable story. The Sci-Fi miniseries was akin to an extended ABC afterschool special. I may be a shit turk, but OY.
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Albuterol
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1/13/2005 at 02:14 |
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vasudeva
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1/13/2005 at 02:36 |
Albuterol:
HAHA.
That rules.
As does the movie.
Fix yr fuking avatar, miscreant!
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1/13/2005 at 02:45 |
The mini-series is a fuking travesty. A travesty. When the stupid new Baron Harkonnen floated up and looked directly into the camera for his im-alive-IM-ALIVE scene, I wanted to get up and walk out of the theater, except I was already home.
Would that be the seen when the dude is scapping that crap off his face and the other dude is talking to him, and the baron proceeds to drink the dude's blood, or was that the movie? Haven't seen it in a while.
I have, however, played the computer games. |
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vasudeva
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1/13/2005 at 02:50 |
Mofo: The mini-series is a fuking travesty. A travesty. When the stupid new Baron Harkonnen floated up and looked directly into the camera for his im-alive-IM-ALIVE scene, I wanted to get up and walk out of the theater, except I was already home.
Would that be the seen when the dude is scapping that crap off his face and the other dude is talking to him, and the baron proceeds to drink the dude's blood, or was that the movie? Haven't seen it in a while.
I have, however, played the computer games.
"Put the pick in there, Pete. And turn it round, real neat."
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1/13/2005 at 03:35 |
Albuterol:
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1/13/2005 at 03:46 |
Ragoo: Albuterol:
Gotta call ya on that one. Herbert was from Seattle, so he was a tree-hugging, dope-smoking, Computer savvy coffee head through and through.
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Mofo
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1/14/2005 at 04:24 |
vasudeva: Mofo: The mini-series is a fuking travesty. A travesty. When the stupid new Baron Harkonnen floated up and looked directly into the camera for his im-alive-IM-ALIVE scene, I wanted to get up and walk out of the theater, except I was already home.
Would that be the seen when the dude is scapping that crap off his face and the other dude is talking to him, and the baron proceeds to drink the dude's blood, or was that the movie? Haven't seen it in a while.
I have, however, played the computer games. That's the movie.
"Put the pick in there, Pete. And turn it round, real neat."
Cool, thanks for clearing that up. My brother has it on old school VHS and I'm gonna have to go steal it. |
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