vasudeva
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11/3/2004 at 17:08 |
I voted for Badnarik; Kerry had a lock on NY. Fat lot of good that did anybody.
We went to the voting place and I wasn't sure we were in the right place until I laid eyes on the voting machine. There was no one around. The voting officials said they had a really big turnout, but they kept referring to my ballot as "#83", so I dunno if I was 83rd in line or what. We saw two other voters.
Then we ate and went home and watched the coverage, mostly on the Daily Show, and woke up to see Bush finally won an election. Maybe. Or something.
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freakmachine
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11/3/2004 at 17:25 |
I voted last week, it was a breeze, there were people in line but not many. |
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straydog1980
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11/3/2004 at 17:45 |
i voted for kerry even though i live in texas. although I think now I should have voted for Nader, to add to his vote count.
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ghostrider
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11/3/2004 at 18:02 |
Kerry. Lines in my district were small despite huge turnout. Democrats won our senate seat. FUCKING HELL
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barch97
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11/3/2004 at 18:38 |
oh shit, is that today?
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ragoo
We are not amused.  SSHOLEPosts: 677 Registered: 9/4/2004 Offline
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11/3/2004 at 18:48 |
Voted straight democrat in PA, for all the good it did. Fuckin-A! I'm gonna go next door and kick Ohio's ass.
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11/3/2004 at 18:57 |
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LuckyLuciano
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11/3/2004 at 19:17 |
Yea, so....Bush won? I kinda fell asleep and then had a midterm in programming at 8am so I kinda missed the news.
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Dumbskull
I'm assuming the position!  SSHOLEPosts: 1926 Registered: 4/22/2004 Offline
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11/3/2004 at 21:08  |
I can feel the downward spiral into a deep depression coming on me.
Not that I have ever had these before.... but there is no other way to describe the total funk I am in.
I voted for Kerry... no lines when I went over at around 9AM.
I am considering grad school out of the country.
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It's insane, this guy's taint  SSHOLEPosts: 821 Registered: 8/25/2004 Offline
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11/3/2004 at 21:18 |
I might be going to grad school, and I'm not looking forward to four more years of asshoel, so I'm going to tag along in skull's luggage |
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ghostrider
liberal exit SSHOLEPosts: 2502 Registered: 7/29/2004 Offline
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11/3/2004 at 21:58 |
More ducks, Por Favor
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LilBabyPissmouth
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11/4/2004 at 00:16 |
Hey! Buck up, Kids...
I mean really, how much damage can he do in four years, right? RIGHT??
"Divide and Conquer"
Oh, and I voted for Nader--more choices for the future thxs |
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government_death_robot
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11/4/2004 at 01:39 |
I voted for Badnarik; Kerry had a lock on NY. Fat lot of good that did anybody.
We went to the voting place and I wasn't sure we were in the right place until I laid eyes on the voting machine. There was no one around. The voting officials said they had a really big turnout, but they kept referring to my ballot as "#83", so I dunno if I was 83rd in line or what. We saw two other voters.
Then we ate and went home and watched the coverage, mostly on the Daily Show, and woke up to see Bush finally won an election. Maybe. Or something.
Isn't Badnarik ultramega conservative?
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vasudeva
Bad Taste in your Mouth SSHOLEPosts: 4533 Registered: 3/8/2002 Offline
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11/4/2004 at 12:17 |
government_death_robot: I voted for Badnarik; Kerry had a lock on NY. Fat lot of good that did anybody.
Isn't Badnarik ultramega conservative?
I think this guy sums it up pretty well:
I am a libertarian.
Which is to say, I support a level of government as defined in the United States Constitution. I believe in the ideas of freedom, property rights, and individual rights. I want government out of the boardroom and out of the bedroom. I want a government that doesn't define moral standards, redistribute wealth, control the economy, and divide people into separate factions along racial, ethnic or religious lines. In short, I support the words of Ayn Rand when she wrote:
"The only proper purpose of a government is to protect man's rights, which means: to protect him from physical violence....The only proper functions of a government are: the police, to protect you from criminals; the army, to protect you from foreign invaders; and the courts, to protect your property and contracts from breach or fraud by others, and to settle disputes by rational rules, according to objective law."
How can that NOT sound good?
[Edited on 11/4/2004 by vasudeva]
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barch97
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11/4/2004 at 14:52 |
yeah, sounds great. assuming of course you never get laid off or disabled. this whole "what's mine is mine and what's yours is yours" sounds all well and good but not everyone on welfare is abusing the system. not everyone that collects unemployment is just lazy. And, yeah social services should be voluntary in an ideal world but look how this fucking country just voted. how many of these sister fucking homophobes would donate to unemployment, medicare, social security, unless they were legally obligated to?
what they don't mention in the bold headlines is that the librarians also want to eliminate taxes. Yeah, that sounds awesome as well, right? but, think about it a little more... what are taxes used for? how are we going to pay for those things without taxes? I hope your roads are in good shape, 'cause you're NEVER getting any new ones. How 'bout your schools? they were built for projected future population, right? so, they shouldn't need expansion or replacing EVER.
I'm all for the third party idea but, just because they're different doesn't make them better.
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vasudeva
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11/4/2004 at 15:51 |
barch97: what they don't mention in the bold headlines is that the librarians also want to eliminate taxes. Yeah, that sounds awesome as well, right? but, think about it a little more... what are taxes used for? how are we going to pay for those things without taxes? I hope your roads are in good shape, 'cause you're NEVER getting any new ones. How 'bout your schools? they were built for projected future population, right? so, they shouldn't need expansion or replacing EVER. That's a good point.
We did just fine without taxes as a nation for a very long time. Income tax became part of our lives in 1914.
Rather than get docked a large percentage of my pay for things I'll never use, money that will go to a central government and then get shot off in multiple directions, maybe none of which I agree with, I'd rather, for example, pay for my use of a road on an as-needed basis, with tolls. Those tolls will be going to a private company whose job is to maintain the roads, and not some stodgy molasses-style government entity.
I'm all for the third party idea but, just because they're different doesn't make them better. No one claimed it did.
However, the fact that they're different is good for many things. A third (and fourth, and fifth, and etc) dissenting voice in the debate forces the politicians to have their own well-formed arguments, and not just say "nuh-unh" to the other guy and then promise the opposite.
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acheron
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11/4/2004 at 17:56 |
I definitely agree with Barch. I just have never seen a compelling argument for ending social services. Volunteer, donation services fill in some holes but they don't run the system and couldn't. They are what keep this country from spiralling out of control. I would like to see to live a day where we don't need them; I don't think I will.
I know very little about this line of thought actually. Would corporate regulation be out in a Badnarik-esque world?
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HOBO
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11/4/2004 at 18:41 |
I'm thinking LOki has taken over Vasudeva's mind with some crazy Liberterian mind tricks.
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vasudeva
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11/4/2004 at 19:48 |
HOBO: I'm thinking LOki has taken over Vasudeva's mind with some crazy Liberterian mind tricks. Accurate or inaccurate, I think the important thing is this new trend you have discovered, this so-called "thinking." It's an excellent development for you.
Keep it up. Keep it right up.
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LORDKAHUNA
Don't make me fuk your moustache  SSHOLEPosts: 1667 Registered: 8/5/2003 Offline
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11/4/2004 at 19:54 |
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mundhra
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11/5/2004 at 00:57 |
i dunno, you can go the centralized, socialist-type route like european countries or you can go for de-centralized privitization. it seems like things are pretty fine for countries adhering to the former, unless you're selfish (different than greedy, btw). i don't know if any countries are really so much the other way. can anyone name any?
the us is kind of straddling the middle ground, i guess. i lean toward the former, what's good for any of us is good for all of us. i guess that's kind of idealistic, though. probably wouldn't work too well in this culture. as far as privitization of the roads, i'd rather not have to pay tolls all the time if it meant stopping at a booth. an ez-pass would be ok, but do you really want something similar nationalized? would products have additional taxes because they're shipped using roads? what about corruption in these private entities? what about big brother, regardless?
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LOki
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11/5/2004 at 04:20 |
I voted Libertarian where I could, and Not-Socialist everywhere else. Which means I, in no way, voted for Kerry or any member of his bullshit party; and I'm glad he lost -- and I focus only on that so I can remain happy. barch97 - "yeah, sounds great. assuming of course you never get laid off or disabled." It's not necessary for the government to take care of this. I'd suggest that the government first take care of what it's supposed to take care of. barch97 - ""what's mine is mine and what's yours is yours" sounds all well and good but not everyone on welfare is abusing the system." Right. But that tiny, tiny minority doesn't really need welfare, does it? barch97 - "not everyone that collects unemployment is just lazy." Not relavent since collecting unemployment is really collecting from an insurance policy that you're paying for. barch97 - "And, yeah social services should be voluntary in an ideal world but look how this fucking country just voted. how many of these sister fucking homophobes would donate to unemployment, medicare, social security, unless they were legally obligated to?" Why should they "have to?" By exactly what right do the recipients of these programs (with the exception of unemployment) benefit from the extorted earnings of others? barch97 - "what they don't mention in the bold headlines is that the librarians also want to eliminate taxes." Untrue. Anarchists believe this, but Libertarians assert that there is a (limited) role for governemt to play in society. Such a governemt needs revenues, and those revenues are collected via taxes or very similar instruments. Since national defense is one of the obligations of the government, and transportation is a primary concern of national defense, roads are not the worry. Education should be private -- or public education should not be subsidized by compulsory taxation. AcheronDCS - "I just have never seen a compelling argument for ending social services." I have never seen a compelling argument for starting them. The premise that any portion of the electorate can "vote" themselves some cash earned by others is precisely the premise that leads to corporate bail-outs (after all, the farmers got bailed out), leasing of national forests to loggers below market rates (after all, the government provides for subsidized housing) and fat government contracts (because after all, they gave Maplethorpe cash to photgraph himself with a whip up his ass). AcheronDCS - "They are what keep this country from spiralling out of control. I would like to see to live a day where we don't need them; I don't think I will." No. They, and the premise they are founded upon (ie. you can get something for nothing), are what is tearing this nation apart. You are seeing that day -- we don't need them. It will just require that we start thinking about what we are doing. It will also require us to let those who refuse, or can't, think go extinct. AcheronDCS - "Would corporate regulation be out in a Badnarik-esque world?" Yes. Yes, special corporate regulation would be gone. And yes, the rules that allow corporations to engage in fraud and breach of contract.
It's a false tale that's been told that asserts our only choices are fascism or socialism, and that we must keep them balanced against each other in order to keep them managable. This balancing act is impossible, because they espouse the same goal: enslaving others. Either by some manner of aristocracy, or the mediocracy. Telling you what to do every minute of your day, and to insure your obediance, is what they are both striving for. And to this end they tell the tale that there are no ther choices, and it's a lie.
You can choose liberty*. You can choose to be free.
*Alternate Kliky
[Edited on 6/11/2004 by LOki]
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Too old to Rock and Roll...too young to die  SSHOLEPosts: 767 Registered: 8/19/2004 Offline
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11/5/2004 at 11:30 |
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
— William Pitt (1759-1806 British Statesman)
Loki- Do you support the Patriot Act in any way , shape, or form? If you do , are you the Tyrant or the Slave?
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acheron
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11/5/2004 at 15:31 |
The hypothesis that social services are tearing this country apart is one for which you will not find any emperical evidence to back it up. Bring it on. I have always believed it was an ideological stand, and I would like to see someone challenge that.
Loki: New question: Would corporate welfare be out? In case you didn't notice, capitalism doesn't exist. Around 25% of the fortune 500 were saved from complete collapse by direct government intervention. And almost all of them have benefited greatly from government packages. Meanwhile CEO salaries have undergone a 150 fold increase in the late 90's and it continues today. Its easy to understand why marxists talk of "welfare for the rich".
So if we are going to get rid of the miserable excuse of a social program that is welfare, what are we going to do with the business slush fund that is the Pentagon?
"Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle."
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LOki
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11/5/2004 at 17:16 |
Dragonstaff,
In answer to you query, I submit:
KLIKY 4 DS
KLIKY 4 DS
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AcheronDCS - "Would corporate welfare be out?" The answer has always been: yes. WTF?AcheronDCS - "In case you didn't notice, capitalism doesn't exist." Really? Huh. I must be all fuked up then, because according to Merriam Webster capitalism is:Main Entry: cap·i·tal·ism
Pronunciation: 'ka-p&-t&l-"iz-&m, 'kap-t&l-, British also k&-'pi-t&l-Function: noun
: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market The defining characteristic of capitalism is the private ownership of the natural resources and the means of production. There's plenty of capitalism pal, plenty. What there is not plenty of, is FREEDOM. (to be fair though, what we've got, and most places have got is a mixed economy, or state capitalism. -- Note: that the less state that is involved, the stronger and more productive the economies are.) AcheronDCS - "Around 25% of the fortune 500 were saved from complete collapse by direct government intervention. And almost all of them have benefited greatly from government packages. Meanwhile CEO salaries have undergone a 150 fold increase in the late 90's and it continues today. Its easy to understand why marxists talk of "welfare for the rich"." I somehow disagree with you? You have somehow come to the impression that I have not recognized this? Do you read, or just blast striaght from your left hip? Maybe you were being sarcastic. If so, HAHAHA! (I guess.) AcheronDCS - "Here is my principle: Taxes shall be levied according to ability to pay. That is the only American principle." I'm not at all surprised. It sounds alot like:
Karl Marx - "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." You're trying to sell slavery AcheronDCS -- I'm not buying.
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11/5/2004 at 18:05 |
I am curious.. has there been a more hated president in the history of the united states?
I mean.. i suppose it would be hard to say since none of us has lived through them all... well.. i guess none of us have. But.. i really cant recall a shittier president. EVERYONE seems to hate him except for the midwest. There was Nixon... he was under some heat.. but.. he was also one of the better presidents. Clinton was hated.. but.. christ.. he did a good job and i would vote for him again. Is bush the most hated ever? Anyone?
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11/5/2004 at 18:24 |
I have been around since Ike... as an infant I do not recall him, then JFK... Johnson... EVERYONE really hated Johnson too...that same kind of Texas bullshit...Nixon, Ford, Carter Regan, Bush #1, Clinton, all them were okay. Now this fucktard.
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ragoo
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11/5/2004 at 18:49 |
Although I don't have a shred of proof on me at the moment, I'm willing to bet that Lincoln was more intensely hated than Dubya. I mean, c'mon! Between the so-called "War Between the States" and all that "Free the Slaves" nonsense, the d00d could not have been the most popular guy around.
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vasudeva
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11/5/2004 at 21:25 |
Check out Karl Marx' 10 Planks of Socialism.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
The U. S. Supreme Court struck this down eight times as unconstitutional. One time being in 1895. It was finally passed in 1913. Where did Karl Marx get the idea of a income tax? From the bible. God commanded a tithe of all. What is a tithe? It is an income tax.
5. A central bank.
“Federal Reserve”. Is this a government agency? No, just like Federal Express is not a government agency. The Federal Reserve is a private bank.
What say you to this?
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11/5/2004 at 23:17 |
Yea, Ragoo. Thats probably why Lincoln was shot.
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