Yes, We Can Have Sane Gun Control Without Trampling Gun Owners' Rights.

This might be classed as Loki bait, but a sensible argument never the less.

Decider: pete56

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  • LOki
  • Dec15 '12

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Specious.

Vague.

Mr Holland appears to be...how should I put it?...full of sh#t.

specifics

I recommend a gunfight to solve this problem.

  • tesco
  • Dec20 '12

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Just as there have always been madmen who commit atrocities, there have always been madmen that use those atrocities to push an authoritarian agenda.

To have no discussion would be even more of a tragedy.

Given the dismal American attention span and the seemingly epidemic rate at which these atrocities at least appear to be occurring, I find it reasonable to have this discussion now.

To characterize an attempt to address an urgent public safety issue as "pushing an authoritarian agenda" is disingenuous. "Agenda" suggests a plan already created and ready to set into motion, and "authoritarian" is a pejorative term that can be applied to anything anyone feels oversteps the bounds of reasonable regulation.

Speaking of reasonable regulation, that you've offered no criticism to what I cosider to be reasonable regulation (in the other thread) is telling.

  • Gorn
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Banning any weapon will not make this kind of act go away. By any outlawing of weapons we would be bandaiding the issue rather then the root cause of the shootings in the first place. Placing some limit one one weapon will cause the individual to use another form of a weapon(s) and likely a plan based around that.

While its a wild thought, imagine if this person had silently gone around and stabbed everyone to death with pens and pencils. Would we have to ban pens and pencils? I guess we could go back to coal for writing. Knee-jerking Shock-reaction bans will not solve the problem.

@Gorn

We had one massacre of this type back in the 90's. Our government did the knee-meep reaction and banned automatic and semi-automatic weapons (including pump-action shotguns), and tightened up already tight licensing laws, including storage requirements, on everything else, and we haven't had another.

We haven't really had anyone go postal since them either. Our bad guys tend to be outlaw bikie gang related, and they try to keep it in the family.

@Gorn

Interesting that you bring that up. you may recall he very same day that the shooting occurred, some meep went beserk at a Chinese elementary school with a knife.

Remind me, what was the death toll there?

Any criticism with the other measures I'd favor?

  • tesco
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Remember Tim Mcveigh?
He killed 168 people, 19 of them children, with fertilizer and fuel.
It is only when guns are involved are there are discussions of regulating the activities of honest citizens.
This is not accidental, a political agenda is involved.

  • Gorn
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@dragonstaff

It is hard to tell that the tightening of gun control is what actually caused the reduction from ONE massacre.
I also wonder if the bike gang follows those laws and regulations and didnt have weapons there that are banned. Imagine one day one of those guys goes apemeep and uses a banned weapon. DOUBLEBAN?

@StartRecordingNow

I dont keep stats and know of this random knife event.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Russell_Weller

Take this example. Elderly man runs down kills 10 and 63 injured. Why did we not limit elderly from driving or just outright ban larger cars as well as cars with automatic gearboxes.

They do limit elderly from operating vehicles... check your local laws.

Gorn- the death toll in the knife attack was Zero.

The kid in Ct used readily accessible assault Gun. Readily Accessible. Assault gun.

I wonder what the turnout might have been had his stupid meep of a mother been a music enthusiast instead of a gun enthusiast. Just wondering

The fact of the mater is that gun control is coming because some gun owners have ruined it for everyone and made non-gun owners feel unsafe. Its coming and if gun owners (nra) don't propose something reasonable they are going to be subject to the proposals of non-gun Owners. Hitch an moan all you want.

The fact of the mater is that gun control is coming because some gun owners have ruined it for everyone and made non-gun owners feel unsafe. Its coming and if gun owners (nra) don't propose something reasonable they are going to be subject to the proposals of non-gun Owners. Hitch an moan all you want.

Loki has ruined it for all reasonable and sane owners.

Maybe its time for the sane to hunt down the insane.

  • BeachGoat
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I have never had the need of a gun. I have, however, had a vast knowledge of chemistry and stealth. Makes a gun useless.

  • Gorn
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@BigDinWaunakee

Santa Monica isnt far from where I live. So, I think we should ban all vehicles for he murdered and injured so many people.

Oh, wait, you all like cars but dont like guns so clearly we need to regulate guns and not cars.

  • LOki
  • Dec21 '12

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I'll just bet that you cannot demonstrate how I have "ruined it for all reasonable and sane owners."

You've had every opportunity to do so, yet your intellectual and moral checks just continue to bounce.

Why is that?

@BigDinWaunakee

Loki, I dip my hairy ball sack into your gaping mouth. Hope your gun-friends don't find about your cheating ways.

  • LOki
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  • Gorn
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Talk about timing.

http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/viewart/20121224/NEWS12/121224011/Gunman-firefighter-shooting-had-served-time-grandmother-s-death

Convicted FELON (a person who is not allowed to own firearms) set a fire. When the firefighters arrived the FELON shoots them, killing two and injuring the other two.

So, again, tell me how banning the tool is a solution for this kind of crime.

  • pete56
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Won't work.
Trying to reform a nation that WANTS to be violent and paranoid, is encouraged to be violent and paranoid, just ain't in the cards.
The nation started as slavers, and genocidal religious zealots, with the added lust for isolationist arrogance. It got 'em an impressively large plot of land.
You don't give up tradition that successful so easily.

Westchester and Rockland, NY county gun permit holders are meeping meep. So, let me get this right. You think everyone should own a gun to deter violence, but when the opportunity to exhibit gun wielding l33t skills becomes a possibility, you run like meeps? Ah, c'mon, I thought you were tougher than that?

Loki, I see your fifth cousin on your Daddy's side just gunned down some firefighters. Keep it classy.

@Gorn

The sooner the NRA and its mouthpieces quit with the paranoid "banning" talk (we all know it would never happen) and start talking about "responsible and reasonable regulation" the more apt they are to avoid things like banning individual types of weapons.

Seriously, does anyone here think that it is unreasonable to require background checks, safety training, mandatory securing - with penalties ranging from fines to loss of ability to own firearms?

What a colossal PR meepbath the NRA dished out the other day. Blame the video games but neglect to mention its benefactors are sponsoring links on the games?

NRA is looking more and more like the meeping tea party. Shouldn't be too surprised - the membership appears remarkably similar.

Laughable if it didn't involve so much blood.

  • LOki
  • Dec30 '12

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No. You consistently have it entirely reversed... you project your intellectual and moral deficiency on me. That dog won't hunt, Jasper.

YOU encourage those asshats;
YOU inspire those asshats:
YOU validate those asshats;
YOU protect those asshats;

Those asshats are all YOURS.

@BigDinWaunakee

  • LOki
  • Dec30 '12

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... and lest we forget, that while you disarm their victims, YOU are the ones ultimately arming those asshathats as well.

BRAVO!!

@BigDinWaunakee

Oooh, disarm the "victims". Nice one.

Hopefully, a Super-Loki will just be around the corner to save us all.

Loki, I see one of your clan was gunned down by their sister while attempting to act cool for a Facebook pic. Love to see natural selection in action. Keep up the good, 1/bright work.... and drivel-commentary.

  • LOki
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BigDinWaunakee:
Oooh, disarm the "victims". Nice one.

I know it.

I also know that pointing out the obvious truth of it is what proves to be so painful for you.

BigDinWaunakee:
Hopefully, a Super-Loki will just be around the corner to save us all.

What are you talking about? What do you mean?

BigDinWaunakee:
Loki, I see one of your clan was gunned down by their sister while attempting to act cool for a Facebook pic. Love to see natural selection in action. Keep up the good, 1/bright work.... and drivel-commentary.


No one can accuse you of being inconsistent in your pathological projection.

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