Republican students mock ethnicity drive

Absolutely hilarious the way this is exposing the intolerant hypocrisy of the "tolerant."

tolerate racism?

I don't see a problem with this, affirmative action is bullmeep, everyone should have to compete on the same level no matter the outcome.

Oh I can't wait to camp with you.

@ ThePanther

Favorite game, guess the tentacle.

Wha?

..sounds like one of 'em meep games out of Texas.

Diversity isn't really diversity is it? If a white guy is involved, it can't be diverse.

Sounds like a bunch of guilty white liberals to me.

"We agree that the event is inherently racist, but that is the point," Lewis wrote in response to upheaval over the bake sale. "It is no more racist than giving an individual an advantage in college admissions based solely on their race (or) gender."

"As a woman of color, when I first saw the event, I was appalled someone would post something like this on the Internet -- not only a different pay structure, but also to rank the races," she said. "It trivializes the struggles that people have been through and their histories."

"The purpose of the pricing structure ... is to cause people to disagree with this kind of preferential treatment," Lewis said. "We want people to say no race is above another race, or no race is below another one. Why put one over the other? Why rank them that way?"

The obvious answer is that cupcakes, and not racial preferencing is racist.

As a person of color, I've always hated affirmative action. The entire concept is racist -- by giving me an edge in university applications based on my race, Whitey implies that if I had to compete on a level playing field, I'd get stomped.

Assholes.

"As a person of color"

Wait, what?

What color?

Personally, I'm OK with affirmative action at university.

You can't brutalize an entire class of people for 400 years, then suddenly take your boot off their necks and say, "OK, go, champ. It's a great big world out there for you to explore! Have fun!" That's the equivalent of dropping 1750's white guy in the middle of present day Midtown Manhattan and expecting him to navigate life successfully. He wouldn't be able to do it.

Even if the spectre of institutionalized racism magically disappeared in 1964, I submit that 40 or 50 years is not nearly long enough to transition the oppressed to lead productive lives.

This is the problem I have with so much of the conservative/libertarian dogma. I agree with most of the principles they claim to believe in: self-reliance, free markets, small government, etc. What I find unpalatable is their abject refutation of reality. Do I believe that blacks & whites should be considered equal, and play on a level playing field? You're meep right I do. Does that level playing field exist? Absolutely not. If you believe that it does, you're a meeping idiot. You need look no further than our prisons. Prison populations are disproportionately non-white, and it isn't that way because brown & black people are inherently bad or stupid people. It is that way because they haven't had the benefit of the generational learning and improvement that whites have enjoyed for thousands of years.

The education system in this country wasn't built with them in mind, and once we got around to waving our magic wand and bestowing equal rights upon them, we didn't modify the system to accommodate them, either. So that is where I believe that change has to start. Level the playing field in Kindergarten and they'll handle the rest.

• There appears to me to be confusion here between ability and access.
  
  Affirmative Action might properly be considered racist if the premise of the program were to address a belief of an inherent lack of ability by virtue of one's race. I do not believe this is the premise of Affirmative Action (it might have thus been named Affirmative Ability).
  
  To suggest that we are all starting on a level playing field laughable and conveniently ignores the history of this country (and frankly the history of this world), to wit, a belief that certain races have genetic ability other races do not possess - specific abilities that lead to 'success- within our society.
  
  One can't argue with any seriousness that the (white) GWBs of the world don't have special privileges afforded them by their access (e.g. to the Yales and Harvards - those undeniable paths to success). That access was historically gained (and continues to be passed down) though denial of that same access to those of 'inferior races- (not my term). Whites of ordinary ability (e.g. the GWBs) are permitted access to these facilities (and the success they offer) while, without programs such as Affirmative Action, it takes super-special achievements by non-whites to access the same facilities that whites gained despite ordinary achievements. As long as these "ordinary" white folks are taking up space in these facilities, non-whites with superior ability will be denied access without programs like Affirmative Action.
  
  The playing field is NOT level - but not because of lack of innate ability, rather a lack of innate access. I think this is the problem Affirmative Action programs are meant to address.
  Do these programs operate perfectly? No.
  Do non-whites have better access today as a result of them? I think so.

Also...what Clavis said.

ALSO ALSO, i am warmed by the potential future employers of these meeps will google their names as part of their pre-employment screening.

> we didn't modify the system to accommodate them, either.

Well it's hard not to see that as racist as meep.

2+2 =4. Now, in order to accommodate our black students, should we use "2 and 2 be 4" or express that in meep Math form: Two slaps plus two slaps mean dat meep got four slaps or do we assume that a black student born in 1995 has the same intellectual capacity as a freed slave that had never been educated in 1865?

It doesn't have meep to do with intellectual capacity, you meeping dummy.

@Fortythreepercent

OK @Clavis_Apocalypticae, you got me there. You stated that you want to level the playing field starting in kindergarten. I agree. I think any kindergarten student born before 1965 should be given additional help and resources. And if you are old enough to be a former slave, I say we go ahead and fulfill the promise of 40 acres and a mule.

What I don't agree with is the need to treat black children differently that were born in 2006.

We should probably be helping poor people out more on the education front (because black incarceration rates are more a function of poverty than of melanin concentrations). I would feel more comfortable telling a child that we are doing things to help them not because of their skin tone, but because we aren't entirely sure that they are going to get a decent dinner tonight.

Plus, we get the benefit of helping all poor people, not just the ones that satisfy white guilt.

I am pleased.

@Fortythreepercent

OK @Clavis_Apocalypticae, you got me there. You stated that you want to level the playing field starting in kindergarten. I agree. I think any kindergarten student born before 1965 should be given additional help and resources

Dude. Before 1965, really? Are you that short-sighted? Do you think the world magically got easier for blacks with one swoop of Johnson's pen?

@Fortythreepercent

And if you are old enough to be a former slave, I say we go ahead and fulfill the promise of 40 acres and a mule.

/facepalm

@Fortythreepercent

We should probably be helping poor people out more on the education front (because black incarceration rates are more a function of poverty than of melanin concentrations).

Duh.

As for the rest of what you wrote, I'm not swinging at that strawman. I never said that we should be helping only little black kids. And acknowledging that the United States has a long, well-domeepented history of institutional racism doesn't make me feel guilty. It makes me feel angry. And it makes me feel even more angry when people stare at their feet making little toe circles in the dirt, and pretend that we shoulder no responsibility to right wrong...that the brownfolk should just buck up, suck it up, and hurry up figuring out how to live a productive life in a society that they've been poorly prepared to navigate.

To pretend that the system wasn't created by wealthy white men for wealthy white men is both disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.

(The quoting is probably going to be butchered, sorry.)

Great News - Driving While Black must be a myth.

The data indicates 27.4 percent of blacks were living in poverty as opposed to 9.9 percent of whites. Again, its not a level playing field.

We would ALL love to tell a child we are doing things for them not because of their skin tone, but get a grip. A child is 3 times as likely to live in poverty BECAUSE of his skin tone

You said "brownfolk" :D

This, "... how to live a productive life in a society that they've been poorly prepared to navigate."

Really?

I'll accept that some (heh) "brownfolk" ARE poorly prepared to navigate life in a society that expects them to be productive.

But whose teaching these "brownfolk" to NOT read, write, enunciate, add, subtract, multiply, divide, balance a checkbook, make a bed, ... etc.

I know it's not me, or any affirmative action program ... so if "failure to navigate" is the real problem we're talking about, what's the deal there?

I'm not saying it impossible to make the argument that "whitefolk" institutions are holding back "brownfolk," but I AM saying that, at this point, it's getting pretty hard to make that argument ... so much so, in fact, that "field leveling" that's being advocated by Affirmative Action apologizers looks alot like "whitefolk" are just helping out "brownfolk" who are inherently unprepared to navigate in this society.

And THAT'S just the kind of racist sentiment that can actually KEEP said "brownfolk" from "...figuring out how to live a productive life in a society that [they're] poorly prepared to navigate."

It's a sentiment that rationalizes racism for racists.

And that just sucks.

I'm not saying it impossible to make the argument that "whitefolk" institutions are holding back "brownfolk," but I AM saying that, at this point, it's getting pretty hard to make that argument

That would be because racist attitudes and (unwritten) policy isn't contributing to this problem anymore?

Get a grip. As Steven Tyler sings, "If you can tell a wise man by the color of his skin, then mister you're a better man than I". To give a job to someone because of race, or give them an easier test, or a better score, because of race, or to give anything because of race, is racist, and unfair to people who deserve to be treated better. To think that I could have a better life if only I were black, or female, or crippled, is unfair. To think that I, a middle aged white guy, "owes" any black man anything because my ancestors mistreated his ancestors, is retarded. My ancestors didn't come to this country until after 1900, and had nothing to do with slavery, unless you count the Viking ancestors, who made slaves out of white European folks for hundreds of years. You always hear how bad white folks are because of slavery, yet you never hear about the thousands who died in the Civil War, fighting in part against slavery. How about we just treat everyone equal and fairly? Oh, that's right, black people grow up in poverty, and they are not given the same chance as white people. How about the white people who grow up in poverty? There are plenty of them out there, going to the same schools as the poor black children, starving right beside the black children, but they aren't going to get the extra points on their test to get them into college.

I've had plenty of friends "of color", served with quite a few in the military, and they were for the most part as tired of all this bullmeep as I was. As for Affirmative Action, they generally felt insulted by the whole thing. Time to try something different.

Answer this:
One can't argue with any seriousness that the (white) GWBs of the world don't have special privileges afforded them by their access (e.g. to the Yales and Harvards - those undeniable paths to success). That access was historically gained (and continues to be passed down) though denial of that same access to those of 'inferior races- (not my term). Whites of ordinary ability (e.g. the GWBs) are permitted access to these facilities (and the success they offer) while, without programs such as Affirmative Action, it takes super-special achievements by non-whites to access the same facilities that whites gained despite ordinary achievements. As long as these "ordinary" white folks are taking up space in these facilities, non-whites with superior ability will be denied access without programs like Affirmative Action.

Throwing my two cents in:
Everything Hoyaguru said + really the problem is more economic.
Poorer people of course have fewer options in starting their lives. This doesn't mean that they have to settle for less of an education later in life(after finding their foothold)
It's motivation that's lacking.
Hard work and dedication very nearly always pay off, but it's hard to tell that to somebody who's grown up believing that showing these qualities equals "selling out to the man" and that poor grammer, poor education and a lack of discipline is how you fit in. Something to be proud of, even.
Everybody eventually gets the idea that it's entirely up to them to improve their lot in life and the playing field is about as even as it'll ever be.
If you're looking for something unfair, just look at the cultures that promote illegal and risky behavior, value thuggery over humanitarianism and embrace the victim mentality at every opportunity.

Tl/Dr: meeper's gonna nig.

I agree the problem is economic. But you cant deny the problem also lies in a system that results 3 times more black folk to love in poverty than white folk.

Affirmative Action may be offensive, to some, it may not work as completely intended, but i suspect the numbers would be a lot more disproportionate were it not to have been policy the past 50 years.

The most obvious way that a few Aboriginal tribes got away from abject poverty was open the reserves to casinos.
Turn every ghetto into Atlantic City