NOAA: Past Decade Warmest On Record According To Scientists In 48 Countries

lies, all lies!

Hottest decade on record = lol. The record is 5 decades long. Also, this new 'decade' strategy allows them to use the tail end of the 1990-2000 temperature spike, giving them a nice shocking headline while not mentioning that since 1998, world temperatures have been flat or declining.

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2009 wasn't the hottest year on record, or 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001, 2000, or 1999 -- 1998 was the hottest year on record. If it's been consistently cooler for the last 10 years than the hottest year on record, you might be tempted to think that the world is cooling.

One of them probably sent a meeper joke via e-mail that will invalidate all of this nonsense. Tune into FOX at 11.

Also, lol at blogspot evidence, you doonce. 300 scientists from 160 research groups in 48 countries say 'yes' and you offer a blogspot that say's 'no'.

Do you actually work for FOX News?

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Temperature sources:

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.2 ftp://ftp.ssmi.com/msu/monthly_time_series/rss_monthly_msu_amsu_channel_tlt_anomalies_land_and_ocean_v03_1.txt http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/diagnostics/global/nh+sh/monthly

There's the raw data. Note that it's Hadley-CRU, NASA, UAH, and GISS's sites, who are the 4 agencies that track global temperature. That good enough for you?

'Hottest decade' is disingenuous. While it is technically true, it covers up the fact that the Earth stopped warming a decade ago and has been flat or cooling since. Actually, 'hottest decade on record' is even funnier, because the 'record' they refer to is 50 years old, meaning for 20% of the 'record,' the world has been COOLING.

<3 you wotak, but you're being lied to.

I have to side with the 300 scientists because, well, they're 300 scientists.

Also, learn to a href, you stupid.

Aw, so now we've gone from 'lol blogspot science' to 'I'll just believe what I'm told.' I just gave you the raw data that everyone works from, and a convenient graph from the UAH numbers if you're too lazy to do it yourself.

The raw data says the world stopped heating a decade ago, and has been cooling since. In 5 years, the headline will be 'THE LAST 15 YEARS WERE THE HOTTEST ON RECORD.' And it'll still technically be true, but it's still disingenuous. If the world were continuing to warm, 2009 would've been the hottest year on record. It is not. 1998 is. It's significantly cooler now than it was in 1998.

2009 was cooler than 2005. 2005 was cooler than 2000. This means the Earth is no longer warming like it was in the 1990s. This ain't rocket surgery.

They obviously meeped up the data again.

Ok, I'll bite. What are your climatological credentials?

I've seen the rain coming down on a sunny day.

I'm speaking to teh_blint, you ninny.

I can read and apply basic logic, and took statistics in university.

The numbers are right there on the Had-CRU, GISS, UAH, and MSU sites. You just have to go look at them. They're numbers -- measurements of temperature. You do not need a degree to know how hot it is today, and how hot it was yesterday or a year ago.

It is cooler today than it was in 2005. 2005 was cooler than 2000. Therefore, the Earth has been cooling over the last 10 years. Therefore, it has not been warming.

Faced with this, but liking the funding that alarmed politicians give them, warmist climate scientists must bend the truth a little bit, and that is how we get 'warmest decade on record.' It's not the warmest 5-year period on record -- that was 1998-2003. The 5-year period 2004-2009 was significantly cooler. But by lowering the resolution to 10 years, they get a nice headline. But at its core is an admission that the Earth has not been warming DURING those 10 years. Capice?

Do you really believe that those 300+ scientists in 160 research groups in 48 countries are all conspiring to pull off the biggest April fools joke in history? That doesn't make sense. What's in it for them?

You see, here's the thing: If it was a government official telling me this, I'd snort in his general direction. When it's 300+ qualified scientists from 160 different research groups in 48 countries telling me this, I'm going to listen because I find it impossible to believe that they're all in on the same joke.

Now, since you have no climatological qualifications whatsoever, tell me why you word should discount the information being shared by these professionals? ...and don't go off on a 'meeped up headline' rant.

The 2009 State of the Climate report released today draws on data for 10 key climate indicators that all point to the same finding: the scientific evidence that our world is warming is unmistakable.

This is pretty straight forward. Do you mean to tell me that all of these scientists are simply telling a lie?

Also, this page has so fancy charts and graph on it that seem to differ from your blogspot image. Can you explain that? Do you mean to tell me that all of these scientists are conspiring to lie about the weather over the last 50 years... and if so - what is their motivation?

Quite simply, that is my question: What would motivate 300 scientists to join forces and lie to me about global warming?

Whoops: this page.

I see a trend here and it disagrees with your claim that the world is cooling.

Wotak: I said nothing of the sort. Like I said, it's technically true, but misleading. Now here's the WARMEST DECADE ON RECORD!

Here's the graph, from the same place, with the same info, about the DECADE we're talking about. That hottest one on record, remember? But look at the temperatures.

CO2 is increasing steadily, as we'd expect, but the temperature anomaly (don't even get me started on using the anomaly as opposed to an actual measurement of temperature) is LOWER today than it was in 1998, with a slow but gradual decline. Further, that's their hilarious 'rectified' data that knocks a full degree off the anomaly to 'compensate' for 1998's El Nino, but does not do the same to 2005's -- but it is STILL cooler.

So, like I vaguely remember saying, the world has not been warming for the last decade. Is it warmer than 1950? Yes.
Is it getting any warmer? No. HAS it gotten any warmer in the last 12 years? No.

Hey, I just noticed the sea level dropped over the decade, too!

You literally have to put blinders on to have your opinion, I'm glad that works for you - but it also makes you a dummy.

Compare the past decade to every decade on record and what do you see?

Now, look at the whole graph I posted (rather than the sliver you have a hard-on for) and tell me that there isn't an alarming trend there.

My meep: Is The Big Picture.

Your meep: A meeping Sliver.

To fully put your fears at rest, I'd have to get into the difference between the temperature ANOMALY (defined as 'how different it is from 1961's average') and actual temperature (note that the highest difference is 0.5C).

But, if you'll scroll on up to the top of the page and look at the title of the link we're discussing, it's 'Past decade hottest on record.' So, that little sliver (the past decade) is actually the TOPIC.

So, AGAIN, has the world warmed significantly over the period 1980-1998? Yes. Has the world warmed SINCE 1998, 12 years ago? No. Has it in fact cooled in the decade since 1998 (the decade we are talking about)? Yes.

The world stopped warming 12 years ago and has been flat-to-cooling since. Nobody denies this. They try to cover it with alarmist-but-scientifically-meaningless headlines like 'HOTTEST DECADE ON RECORD LOL.' It's true, but it covers the fact that the world has been COOLING during that decade.

Look, near-sighted-ninny, the title say's 'Past Decade Hottest On Record', not 'Every Year Of The Past Decade Has Been Hotter Than The Last'.

You can keep plucking at straws, but with every pluck you're one straw closer to losing.

The climate is changing. It is getting hotter. The last ten years are the hottest ten years on record. The trend in overwhelmingly showing upward movement. Your argument is invalid, near-sighted and irrelevant. One look at the evidence I posted showing the climate from 1881 to 2009 would convince anyone but a mouth-breathing idiot.

Also, 2010 is shaping up to be even hotter than the hottest year on record... thus continuing the trend, sliver meep.

so take off all your clothes

Wotak: If the world were getting hotter, it would be hotter now than it was 12 years ago. It is not. Again 'hottest decade on record' is something we never heard before this year, because it again covers up the fact that the world has been cooling over the last 12 years from its all-time high in 1998.

Fortunately, everyone in charge of the world now understands this, so allow me to make a prediction:

There will never be a Kyoto II. Atmospheric concentrations of CO2 will continue to increase. Temperatures will continue to drop. Everything will be fine.

Oh, and as someone who was stranded in the UK earlier this year when the entire country froze, I will laugh politely at the notion of 2010 being hotter than 1998.

Of course, as the Met sniffily explained, 2009-2010 was the hottest winter on record, because they just take the 3 hottest temperature readings between November and March and average them. Since November was unseasonably warm, the data points had been collected and averaged long before I was stuck in iced-over Heathrow.

Wotak: If the world were getting hotter, it would be hotter now than it was 12 years ago.

This statement is so meeping retarded. You do realize that the world is older than 12 years, right?

The temp trend is going to continue to increase. Come back in 2020 and we'll talk about what a nearsighted retard you are, ok?

The temp trend hasn't increased in 12 years. They've only been tracking it since 1950, so in fact 20% of the time we've spent watching has been watching the Earth cool. That'd be the 20% of it leading up to now.

The Earth ain't getting any warmer, friend. The peak was 12 years ago. Look at your own graph. Look at 1998, now look at today, and draw a line that connects the two points. It moves down. That's called the warming trend STOPPING. The only way people can argue the world is getting hotter is to go lower- and lower-resolution, interpreting broader and broader timeframes so as to keep some of those hottest years in the dataset. This is junk science, and it'll become more and more meaningless the more they add to it.

In 10 years nobody'll care anymore. Fortunately, the leaders of the world don't care today, which is why Copenhagen fell apart, and there won't be another one. However, everything is going to be fine.

I've been a swarmer member for 5 years now! I'll bet you $50 over PayPal that in 2015, it'll be considerably cooler than it is today.

Bet recorded. You will lose.

If you said 'you will lose' in an Ivan Drago voice, I love you even more than before <3

• wotak lobs a witty comeback

I must break you

Now that I no longer tilt at windmills, I realize how enjoyable it really is :D

teh_blintz0r: The temp trend hasn't increased in 12 years. They've only been tracking it since 1950

Then why does the temperature graph wotak posted go back to 1880? Are you suggesting MOAA made those numbers up?

teh_blintz0r: Is it warmer than 1950? Yes. Is the 2000's warmer than 1950's? Yes. warmer than 1960? Yes. warmer than 1970? Yes. warmer than 1980? Yes. warmer than 1990? Yes. Are you saying this data is insignificant?

Wotak: If it was a government official telling me this, I'd snort in his general direction.

You do realise the NOAA is a government agency, don't you? Let me ask you this: taking the opposite strategy of teh_blintz0r, and looking at the temp trend from 1880 to now, is it possible that this .5 deg C variance is cyclicle and we're now near the peak of warming?

Personally, I'd like to see teh_blintz0r win this bet, but I don't think he will. If we get to the point where the oceans can no longer sustain the algae at the bottom of the food chain, then this argument is merely academic, 'cause we'll all be totally meeped and it'll be too late to take it back. I'm glad we have scientists working in government agencies such as NOAA (one of the few things I think Nixon did right).

NASA says 2010 will be the hottest year on record.

If you look at the area under the temperature curve, instead of the curve itself, you will notice the area value is increasing. The curve is less spikey (for whatever reason), and there are no dips into the blue any more. Red is winning.

Communist.

jwalker: ''...is it possible that this .5 deg C variance is cyclicle and we're now near the peak of warming?''

Yes, this is possible in theory - but ice core samples show it to be false as far back as we've been able to study and from what I understand, we've studied ice cores that date back much further than 1880.

I love when unqualified people with a smidge of edumacation try to insert themselves into a debate for which they are completely unqualified. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

^^ what he said..

Ice core data seems to show a trend of heating and cooling over a long period of time but currently the C02 is off the chart with regard to anything ever studied and the temperature has hit what would seem like a normal peak but isn't falling the way it has historically. It's actually maintaining that peaked status which shows that the cycle is changing for the warmer.

Here's another study that with more recent data that shows the peak temp isn't dropping of the way it has historically. Both of these links suggest that this prolonged period of warm in what should be a natural cycle is due to a warming of the oceans and CO2 in excess of anything ever recorded.

While I don't consider myself a qualified expert in the science of global temperature cycles, I certainly find it quite easy to absorb the findings of those who are qualified professionals in the field and their data shows an abnormal warming trend and CO2 levels that are off the charts of anything ever recorded in the history of this planet.

Should we all panic? No, what happens will happen. I highly doubt mankind can do anything to reverse what is happening. Will the planet survive, sure it will... and mankind will either adapt or die off, just like many species before have.