The Big Bounce Theory

*Richard_Parker types furiously

Better to have low self esteem for no reason than high self esteem for no reason. just sayin'.

That's a really interesting thing for you to say. What's your reasoning behind it? It's as though you're hinting at the notion that it benefits everyone for you personally to behave publicly in a way that's in agreement with your apparent public worth... that is, that you recognize there is a certain kind of disappointing friction caused by seeing someone praise themselves extravagantly, and that you think everyone's better off if you don't make this display.

In before the ''you're just being obtuse again'' statement.

How does it feel to be all candy coating and no chocolate?

meep you jack, I'm plenty chocolate.

Also.....

From where I'm standing, looking in at this, you are stupid.

Looks like you are a science peg boy.

What's your reasoning behind it?

It could be taken that way, sure, but that's not what I meant. I was pointing out that I think it's better to be worthwhile and feel worthless than to be worthless and to feel worthwhile. So, assuming my actions are a result of poor self-esteem, it's a small evil because my actions demonstrate my competence, regardless of my feelings about them. Conversely, if I were Wotak, I would be asserting that I have a special perception about humanity and its enviroment (We have no definitive evidence to prove how our own planet came to be, and yet we queue up to solve the mystery of the birth of the universe by throwing guesses at an infinite wall?) when I clearly have no special qualifications to justify these claims. I would therefore feel worthwhile while, in actuality, I'm of no special worth.

But it's irrelevant, really, because I'm pretty sure my past behavior is not a result of my self-esteem; on the contrary, it's a result of a moderate hubris that results in a knee-meep disdain for people who hold ideas that I deem not self consistent. Admittedly. Not to get too mushy here, but thank (several of) you guys for being the idiots I need and the rest of you for calling me out on it so I can work on that ;)

For the record, though, Nocal asked me where my qualifications come from, and I didn't say a meep thing about my research at any point before that without being prompted, although it's what I live for and is all I really want to talk about. It's obvious, in that light, that I didn't bring it up for self-esteem reasons. Also, it is absolutely unreasonable for Wotak to assert that he knows more about our current state of knowledge about the nature of the universe than I, since he knows my background. I was being polite about it until he, ghost, and diva got pissy about it. Hence the 'defer to me' comment which is both self-important and correct.

Anyone have any other issues about me they'd like to address, while we're doing this again? While they are all contrived and without substance, I have nothing better to do than discuss them in between classes. It's more stimulating than talking about guns or spouting the opinions we receive from our social circles or special cirmeepstances about popular moral issues that arise in the media.

kahuna: retarded meep

If you define scientist as 'one who has a phd in a scientific field,' than I am not one.

Hahahaha

I never defined 'scientist'

But you have clearly defined yourself as a 'student' Mr. McFarlane.

(my point being you are a giant meep, who misrepresents self)

(AKA.....full of meep)

You have no idea my worth, my field of expertise or my specialized skills because I do not spend endless days typing it into linkswarm in an attempt to impress you. This does not automatically mean that my lack of telling you about what I'm good at means that I'm good at nothing, you meeping nearsighted retard.

How many times do 12 linkswarmes need to bash you over the head with your own actions before you actually get it?

meep you're dense.

I was pointing out that I think it's better to be worthwhile and feel worthless than to be worthless and to feel worthwhile.

Yes, this is a competent restating. What I meant was: why do you think it might be true? It's clear to me that you're a troll (that is, a phony character) of one flavor or another. Something I'm particularly interested in is: are you also fooling yourself along the way about who you are and what you're worth? Or have you honestly thought up a self-consistent faux philosophy to deliver as background for the persona you so grievously misjudge as successful on LinkSwarm?

For the record, though, Nocal asked me where my qualifications come from, and I didn't say a meep thing about my research at any point before that without being prompted, although it's what I live for and is all I really want to talk about. It's obvious, in that light, that I didn't bring it up for self-esteem reasons.

What's obvious is that, if Nocal was prompted to ask you about your credentials, there must have been someone doing the prompting. Presumably you were slightly more coy once about what has become your demand for recognition.

Anyone have any other issues about me they'd like to address, while we're doing this again? While they are all contrived and without substance, I have nothing better to do than discuss them in between classes.

Deflection 'I'm not hurting inside' meepgadocio 101.

Babypantses like you are absurd in part because you think you're a lot more in control of the dialogue than you actually are. When people aren't posting how much you suck, it's not cause anyone's been successfully convinced otherwise by your words, which are ineffectual and/or avoidant enough to border on the autistic. It's because, for the time being, your suck quotient has been eclipsed by something more compelling. This return to more rewarding pursuits happens often, but I fully expect that your comically near-imbecilic lack of ability to recognize some grave disparity between how you are seen and how you evidently want to be seen is something we'll revisit occasionally, forever.

And don't pretend you don't love it. You are usually reviled when you post, but at least you are something.

Commenting so this'll showup on my account homepage; since I always seem to miss the fun troll threads.

Also, @RP: you may know physics (or think you do: wait until you're defending your thesis), but mouthing off about the fact makes you look like a meep. Trust your Uncle Lefferz on this one.

K: you have clearly defined yourself as a 'student' Mr. McFarlane

I have. I don't consider that mutually exclusive with scientist. All scientists are students. Some students are scientists. I'm a year into grad school. I have three classes and a thesis defense left. The difference between the knowledge a fresh, working phd has and the knowledge I have is small. Think what you want.

'tak: You have no idea my worth, my field of expertise or my specialized skills

Not specifically, but I'm certain you know meep about physics in general because of what you say about it. I didn't say that you're good at nothing, I said that you're not good at physics.

Diva: What I meant was:

Oh, I see. I wasn't as clear as I should have been, because I honestly didn't expect anyone to think about what the things I said actually mean. I said what I said in response to what Wotak said: Where retarded laborers and paper pushers have gone to defer neutrino physics and geomagnetism to people with extremely low self esteem since 1492, where he accused me of having low self-esteem, which leads me to assume that he thinks that my musings on the origins of certain theories of certain physicists are posturings driven by anxiety rather than genuine insight based on derived knowledge. (Which doesn't jive with your apparent theory that I have unduely high self-esteem, which leads to, what, a 'demand for recognition?' That doesn't make much sense. I like W's theory better.) It seems that you thought I was asserting that my self-esteem is high, which is not so. So, what I meant was, 'Assuming that I see myself as a failure, despite having acquired a formidable working knowledge that most people couldn't comprehend if they devoted their entire lives to doing so in a field in which I am making significant contributions that benefit humanity as a whole in profound ways, I have committed a lesser evil than Wotak, who, I have reason to believe, considers himself of at least moderate worth in a global sense despite failing to have done a single thing in his entire adult life (which has been roughly three times longer than mine) that is of worth to humanity as a whole that could not also have been done by a majority of other people, given the proper incentive.' I can say that about my myself with a semblance of modesty because I take it on the word of others; and if I have made any incorrect assumptions about 'tak, I invite and welcome him to correct them, in the interest of accuracy. I hope that clears that up, because if I've misunderstood what you've meant again, I have some words to eat.

What's obvious is that ... there must have been someone doing the prompting.

No, that's what's necessary for the statement to represent something that actually happened. I don't remember ever bringing up anything about my qualifications unless I was prompted to or as capital toward the gravity of a delivery in a discussion involving science, and in the latter instances I was quite vague (I may have brought it up purely to be an meep for situations like these, maybe). I'm sure Kahuna or Mundra can do their thing and search the archives and find, maybe, one discrepancy in the history of all my posts, but they can't find enough to even begin to suggest that I might be intentionally misrepresenting myself. So, it becomes obvious that I'm not using my position to gain any kind of social capital. If you STILL want to claim otherwise, the logs are all there. Go find some threads where I just pull that meep up out of the blue. Good luck.

Deflection 'I'm not hurting inside' meepgadocio 101

Spotted my the master of deflection. You're projecting. I was serious, as follows:

don't pretend you don't love it

I never have. I've always welcomed it. I'm sitting in my office between class jacked up on addy without enough time to grind some problems. It is unavoidably clear that most of you guys view earnest exterior philosophical exploration about science and ethics in an intellectual and precise language as pretentious and specious. That's not surprising as most people everywhere feel that way. Regardless, I continue, on linkswarm and in life. Why? Because occasionally it leads to the discovery of some of the few people who welcome it, and that payoff easily offsets the social consequences - but linkswarm provides a double benefit. While, every once in awhile, I actually have a worthwhile exchange with someone in this respect, it also results in a flurry of attempts on my character (which never happens outside of the internet, leading me to believe that most people, yes, all of you, too, are meep who want to say this stuff to your face but are too chickenmeep to). It's fun for me to adequately defend against these attempts, especially those that are well thought out. I don't expect to ever change a mind, because you all will continue to feel the way you feel about me unless I change my behavior, whether or not the reasons that you use to justify your feelings toward me are accurate. That's one of those constants of human behavior - deny it to your heart's content. So, it's game I play, it's a game you play. You don't really think that I'm emotionally involved while you're not, do you?

Uncle Lefferz: wait until you're defending your thesis

That's for meep sure.

mouthing off about the fact makes you look like a meep.

me: 'If you define scientist as 'one who has a phd in a scientific field,' than I am not one.' me: 'all my posts ever where I wasn't bringing it up unless someone asked or it was relvant, then being brief about it anyway' Mouthing off? I talk about my research less than some people here talk about their rifles, and I meeping LIVE for research. I would give up meep forever to continue research. I don't think you'll hear people claim that about their 'aught six. All things considered, I'm pretty discreet about it. That doesn't keep these guys misrepresenting it and using it as ammo against me. Weak.

Also, about being a meep, I think the above covers it. My name is Richard, is it not?

Diva: What I meant was:

Hory clap! yer the 'vassy diva' dude, ain't ya? HAHA Ok, carry on. Radar off now.

8 years of undergrad makes you something, that's for sure

Oh, for the love of Dog.

I was just doing the stoney universal contemplation thing.

I deeply apologise for starting this.

^ which is really a more respectable hobby than going to college forever on daddies dime and claiming to be a scientists while doing pretty much the same thing... and then telling folks that their extra-celestial musings are now unwelcome because, well, you're a scientist-physicist and knower of almost everything there is to know about the universe and you have spoken so the lesser being must now only listen.

You see, one of these things is friendly conversation and one of them is chronically authoritarian douchbagishness.

And since I deliberately engaged you in friendly conversation, your apology is not accepted because it is not needed.

I have a new hat, and wish this dialogue to continue.

Your hat, it looks soft and pasty. Like dough but with less personality. Does it come with a trust fund and a lifetime supply of meepnozzle?

I wish I could get my father (known as a 'real' physicist) to devote even 5 minutes to owning you. Unfortunately, he has like.. physics to do.. and he builds bikes in his few minutes of spare time. That is, when he's not being paid to present papers at conferences among nobel prize winners and others, in, like, one of the six languages he speaks. He would chew you up and spit you out before you had a chance to say Boson.

But sure, you're an amazing physicist. He just builds bikes.

Wow. I just wandered in here from the photos thread and lulzed my way through all the comments.

For what it's worth, my favorite part so far has been richard_parker's dismissive hand waving concerning psychology as a scientific pursuit (as opposed to the God-like power afforded a physicist) juxtaposed with his menagerie of neuroses and ego-defense knee jerks.

It sucks feeling ordinary or average, especially if you've been handed a bowl of meep and a spoon, socially speaking. But, there is also a clarity afforded you when you realize being super smart or super talented or super successful are all more a matter of hard work or stupid luck than anything intrinsic.

LINKSWARM vs. richard_parker up to this point has been one dude trying desperately to defend a made-up character he has yet to become, instead of appreciating the subjective observations of other people toward his pool meepting.

You said: I was pointing out that I think it's better to be worthwhile and feel worthless than to be worthless and to feel worthwhile.

There's a lot of jumbly thoughts being pulled tight against each other in this statement. For one, you should know SCIENCE has determined this is not true.

People who are delusional to the point of infinite optimism are more likely to feel happy about themselves and succeed in life (based on their own goals) than people who rationally step back and evaluate how much they fall short of some imagined ideal.

What makes your statement so strange is how you seem to be exalting the virtues of humility, yet are determined not to be humble or self-deprecating at a party full of people who have had far more life experiences than you and can smell your bullmeep before you walk in the room.

You seem to be saying something along the lines of 'You may be wise in the ways of the world - but I am wise in THE WAYS OF THE COSMOS!'

What you're missing here is that being wise in the ways of the world allows your peers to see just how much of a gap there is between the person you present and the person you are.

There's this thing, you've heard of it, called psychosomatic response. That's when you smile until you feel happy, or you laugh for no reason until you actually start laughing. It turns out, this works for self-worth and self-esteem too.

So, the solution here is to stop sucking by becoming the Carl Sagan-esque mindbender character you are pretending to be now. To do that, you need to first realize you are a speck of meep on the sidewalk when it comes to understanding the universe and all its psychical laws and all the mathematical languages which model those laws.

You can still love the scientific pursuit of psychics, but you can't go around pretending you've climbed a mountain just because you own all the gear you need to accomplish such a feat.

From now on, whenever I want to say something, I'm just going whisper it to Lownotes so he can say it correctly.

^ Yis

My thoughts exactly ^ Lownotes closing commentary was the only time I really laughed during the entire performance/debacle.

Oh my God. You're right. What the meep am I doing?

meep.

I'm suprised, Low. You were the last person I thought would jump in. I guess you're just like the rest of us. meep. You do put up quite a fine facade, though.

For the record: 1) Yes, I maintian that psychology shouldn't be considered a science, but I've also expressed my desire to study it. It's a rich and interesting field that is easy to mock for how much it wants to be science. 2) I don't really feel average deep down, Dr. Jung. I feel like I'm surrounded by an ocean of mediocrity, just like you do, even though you won't admit it out loud. My ocean is probably bigger than yours, though. 3) neuroses and ego-defense knee jerks You sound exactly the same way that you're harping on me for sounding, except with psychobabble. 4) 'To be worthwhile/less' means, 'to be worthwhile/less,' not, 'to have the potential to be worthwhile/less.' Not living up to the potential that you believe you have, hm?

Additionally, I don't need your blessings to continue to love the scientific persuit of physics, or your advice on how not to suck, and I certainly don't need you to tell me what I'm pretending to do. meep.

And I haven't been handed a bowl of meep for social skills. Now, I'm not like you: I don't conciously direct my behavior with the sole intention of being well-liked, that's just sad; nor do I 'augment' my personality when it's socially advantageous, or pretend to be more charming that I am to get my meep buried. I know you do these things, most people do. That's doesn't make it any less sad, though. I'm also not one of those sad sacks that you guys are trying to make me out to be that wants people to like him but can't just pull his meep together enough to make a friend. In life, as on linkswarm, I have a challenging personality, specifically because I have always been able to trust it to weed weak people from my presence. It's ridiculous that you read these exchanges, and then you feel such pity for me pity for me that you find it suitable to politely coalesce everyone else's scattered thoughts into one comprehensible paragraph (in a kind, but firm and reprochful manner) so that I can finally see the folly of my ways and finally realize what I need to do to be accepted by the members of linkswarm, who are paragons of taste and personality. Which brings me to my point.

You know, for the most part, this is all fun and games, until some deluded meep decides to feel sorry for me and go out on a limb to help me be a better person (i.e., more like them). Despite all the meep I spew, I have very few problems with anyone here, except for these people.

What you're missing here is that being wise in the ways of the world allows your peers to see just how much of a gap there is between the person you present and the person you are.

What YOU'RE missing here is the high degree of genuine, un-self-concious presumptuousness that is contained in that smarmy little post. The fact that you actually believe yourself is the most contemptible thing about it. You're not being pretensious to compensate for something, or to get attention, or anything that indicates that it's a symptom of something people should actually feely sorry for you for, but it's actually a part of who you are.

The person I am is totally unknown to you, obviously- but I know who you are. You should probably just stay out of it from now on and leave all the people without profound personality flaws to flame me mercilessly without being tainted by meep like that.

'Instead of appreciating the subjective observations of other people toward his pool meepting.' My meep. Wanker.

Assbergers.

The person I am is totally unknown to you, obviously- but I know who you are.

Troll ain't no English major, that's fo sho.

Haha, wow. The hits just don't stop. r_p, you are truly an impressive soul. NEVER CHANGE, BABY, NEVER CHANGE.

i find it hilarious that you can't stop yourself from frothing with anger when someone is actually honest. i guess there's no anger like self-righteous anger, huh?

also, i thought 'smarmy ' was lame. what happened?

boobali.. boobali babali boo, bipitty bopo bobali boo..

C: Probably. G: Can't hit 'em all. V: You know I'm not planning to ;) G: YAY titties in my tread. M: As I said, it's all fun and games until. Being honest with someone over the internet is probably the single most disrespectful thing you can do. He doesn't know me at all. I'm sure you see the irony in what he did. I promise never to tell you how you can live up my standards. Also, you could hardly call my anger self-righteous. It didn't really have anything to do with my morals... And yes, smarmy is lame. I should have picked a better word. Like smug. Smug is good. U CAUGHT ME.

He doesn't know me at all.

the lady doth protest too much.

the solution here is to stop sucking

''And I haven't been handed a bowl of meep for social skills.''

So you developed your own bowl of meep social skills. Big deal, it's still a bowl of meep.

It's all fun and games until someone tells you what the meep is up.

You guys sure showed me. Now if you don't mind I'll be commenting other places until I say something else that slightly annoys someone else who happens to be unusually bored that day. Unless, you know, there are gonna be more sisters pinching each other's nipples. Then I'll prolly stick around.

Oh, welcome to the fray, Low.

What I mean is, everyone is trying to tell you the same thing, but you keep avoiding the point of the conversation like a fussy toddler (that's not an insult). If you're doing this on purpose in some sort of Moebius-strip-hypertroll performance, well, I tip my hat. But if not, isn't it meeped up that people are starting to wonder if you can truly think the things you type?

Not once in this thread have you returned a volley to someone who has insulted you and been able to state your case in a way which made the other person push away from the keyboard and think, 'You know what? This guy has a point.'

I want you to tell me the truth, do you really think psychology shouldn't be considered a valid science? I mean, you realize you're being pretty ridiculous by saying that, right? It makes it seem as if you either don't understand what science is, or you just want to argue about something. Either way, it takes away from all your I-am-smarter-than-the-two-guys-who-collaborated-on-my-trigonometry-textbook posturing.

I really don't know how to make this any clearer without spinning you back into the 'meep YOU DAD!' state of retort.

Just about everyone in college is a pretentious meepbag about the subjects they care about. It takes getting curbstomped in the vas deferens by the adult world for people to stop acting that way.

I was trying to give you the opportunity to gracefully place one hand on your stomach and depart this thread with a heartfelt-mea-culpa bow, because I (and everyone else who keeps poking you in the eye) used to meep the bed in the same way, but now you've meandered off into some weird place I don't understand at all.

Anyway, I hope you see where I'm coming from, because at this point, after reading your response to my original comment, I'm imagining you are masturbating while reading other people's constructive criticism as you formulate how you can reframe their statements in a way which allows you to maintain the same byzantine mental constructs which got us here in the first place.