meeps.

Thanks y0, gonna check it out. (I like music.)

Some of you may know i make music.

Only that subset of humanity that reads LinkSwarm's journals or forums.

Some advice you may be interested in: anything you create that you yourself label evil is probably something you should bury immediately and never admit to.

Downloading now. Hilarity/regret sure to ensue.

Some advice you may be interested in: anything you create that you yourself label evil is probably something you should bury immediately and never admit to.

Not when talking about grindcore it isnt.

You married cube!?

oh schit meepaer that base if phat

TRIP REPORT: Entrails

It's over already? The longest track is 2:24, and by longest I mean only 4 of them top 2 minutes at all. The whole zip file was 19 minutes.

The best track for me was "You were a cube and i married you" -- not just for the cube joke, either. The ending was a little weak, it worked better before the "zomg i watched the eyeball scene in event horizon 54 times on repeat before i sang this" vocals broke in.

It had a hook, it had a complex drum line, and it had actual instances of harmonizing, counterpoints, all that cool meep where adding sounds to each other results in something greater than the sum of its parts.

Then you start moaning over it like a happy-meep retard at the end. :(

The worst track for me was "feast in the slaughtered village". Thank meep it's so short. It sounds like you just lifted the sounds that reavers make from serenity and put a cheesy guitar and drum noodling behind it. Which, given the name of it and then given my reaction means I probably "get it" and that was the point, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Most of the rest just gave me a burning desire to watch this and giggle. I'm sure you'll say "this is nothing like that at all!" and then I will be even happier because I will have made my point.

Summary: It's short. I see no reason xihilisk can't have a music career ahead of him, but grindcore meeping sucks and don't even pretend it doesn't.

Grindcore tracks are supposed to be short. The largely considered first true grindcore album was Napalm Deaths "Smeep", which had 28 tracks in 33 minutes.

In essence, grindcore is meant to be unlistenable as possible, a complete disregard for the listener in the pursuit of an objective ie:to sound as nasty and as heavy as is possible.

Except this is "post-grindcore", so i have elements of post-rock crescendos also.

Cheers though, could have been worse!

I get the impression we agree.

Notice that "elements of post-rock crescendos" is pretty much exactly what I targeted as the best thing about the best track.

In other news, if it takes 28 tracks to make an album, then I guess this one's about half done. Heh.

Also, "disregards the listener" is a pretentions way to say "I'm just masturbating". I stand by my assessment that grindcore meeping sucks. I can't in good conscience fail to recommend you explore elsewhere; I feel that to recommend a musician pursue grindcore is telling them I hope they meeping fail.

I do persue other things, like my other projects. Xihilisk, Emptycryingrivals and with my band, Arctica.

If you like the post-rock stuff more, then chances are you might like Arctica and Xihilisk. Its that sort of stuff, but more.

Why make music intentionally unlistenable?

You love for sub-sub-sub-genres is sad. I'm DL-ing now. Prepare for a beating.

You love for sub-sub-sub-genres is sad

ha! What a stupid statement to make.

dont be pissed bc not evryone finds your music "cool".

No it isnt. You were a stupid baby to make, but your parents did it anyway like hapless morons with lovin' on their minds. THE REVIEW: This album is a bunch of muddy confusing noise with seemingly little purpose and complete disregard for anyone listening (y'know, the people with the monies). Grindcore is apparently supposed to be these things, so congrats on that. From my personal musical standpoint it sounds like european prog-metal gone wrong. You could definitely make something people would buy, sadly this is the farthest thing from that. If you could figure out how to mix the tracks better you could make some sweet metal m/(-_-)m/. But most of that sucks anyway. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you should talk to wotak about forming an LS supergroup: Xihilisk , Wotak, Sfw ....

like guitarjon could realistically give anyone a beating.

;)

It's not a stupid statement to make at all, I think.

It seems almost like you're spending more time on which genres you're playing in than on composition. "This is my post-grindcore project. The songs are short because grindcore songs are supposed to be short. In fact, here is the grindcore manifesto which I used as a blueprint. Also, since it's post-grindcore, I tossed in a little post-rock as expected. Don't like that? Here's my other stuff, which is post-rock and devil-jive respectively."

You want to be creative but by all appearances you're doing it by the numbers, being careful not to paint outside the tiny little boxes you've faithfully carbon-copied for yourself.

vas: Its post-grindcore because it just is. When i play it to people who know their meep, which none of you obviously do, they will name the genre "post-grindcore". It is an established sound, recognisable to ear.

sunny77: ??!?!?!

guitarjon: Muddy and confusing? No, its technical. The mixing is how i intended, how it sounds is how i wanted it to sound.

To say post-rock and post-grindcore are "sub-sub-genres" is just plain wrong. Theyre not exactly "Vancouver power-violence" in their genre obscurity.

When i play it to people who know their meep, which none of you obviously do, they will name the genre "post-grindcore". It is an established sound, recognisable to ear.

That is precisely my point, you wotak-sock. It's a well-established sound that you're faithfully churning out. It's conventional. You're doing nothing new. You're following the leader. And what a meepty-sounding leader it is. Congrats.

Amusingly, you keep falling flat on your meeping face and when you do, you blame it on everyone else for not knowing their meep or not getting it, you meep.

It's like you're slamming tomorrow shut in your own face.

Xihilisk: i found this 'okay'. it seems like you either a) do alright with the drum parts but the guitar seems too slow or b) have decent guitar parts with disjointed drums.

how do you do the drums? i think overdubbing bass would be a good idea. but then again, i play bass.

i found everything to kind of drag on, actually. most of the grind i listen to is heavily influenced by hardcore, so it's all racing to a breakdown or whatnot. i dunno. it's not fantastic, but i don't super hate it.

i give it a 'meh +'.

maybe a 'meh ++'.

Mission accomplished: your music is meep. But that's grindcore, it's supposed to be meep! If dung beetles had a sniff of this, they would say: "this is the best gindcore in the world; this is good meep" 9 out of 10 gindcore listeners agree: this music sounds nasty and bad. And they like it.

To draw an exaggerated parallel. Suppose I had a friend who liked to poison himself with old, rotten food, because he liked to vomit. But to everyone else, that was revolting and vile. But if they would have been in the vomiting industry, they'd appreciate the fine nuance of the corn and vegetable chunks, and the bile. He'd say: shut up, you fukers, you can't see how brilliant my vomit it! What do you know about the beauty of intestinal fluids? If you were in the vomit scene, you WOULD know I'm a genius! You just can't tell awesome puke from garden-variety regurgitation. You suck! I rock! Long live my creations!

To each his own, I guess.

If dung beetles had a sniff of this, they would say: "this is the best gindcore in the world; this is good meep" 9 out of 10 gindcore listeners agree: this music sounds nasty and bad. And they like it.

so definitely not true (one, two).

p.s. all this genre-talk is making me feel a little queasy.

"Grindcore tracks are supposed to be short." isn't really a defense. it's like saying, 'this is what i'm supposed to do' when, in fact, the songs really don't support anything more than a few minutes as written. people would whine 'why does this go on for 5 minutes when 2 is more than enough?' maybe taking some ownership and saying 'i think the length is appropriate' is more... appropriate.

I program the drums on a midi roll using NI Battery 2 and the Large Tama Kit. Yah i dont do any bass for the tracks, if i put a bassline its usually just an electronic sub or something to emphasis the big "drop C" chug parts.

The vomit point thing was actually quite good. How much do you really know about grindcore and the scene??

Yes, the genre is "post-grindcore" but i dont follow its guidelines or pre-cursors any more than the thousands of metal bands follow each other. Its a defined genre yes, but it is still open to many combinations and differences.

Agorophobic Nosebleed are famed for their listener disregard. Read any interviews with them. I saw Pig Destroyer live last year, and they whopped out 2 AN tracks too. It was suffocatingly noisy and unintelligable, "just the way we like it".

I should've known I could count on mundhra to get what I was talkin' about, and then say it better than I did.

Observe the following statement, which is held in general by this thread to be true: "it is intended to be unlikeable noise"

This to me renders the opinion of anyone who does, in fact, like it... questionable at best. Considering they're not supposed to.

Then again humans aren't supposed to like getting choked out either, but some people can't have an orgasm any other way, so I guess it sort of just goes to show. (Cue broken link to youtube from gagme...)

QUICK, FIRE ZE BABYFORCE CANNON.

donk

Yes, the genre is "post-grindcore" but i dont folllow its guidelines or pre-cursors any more than the thousands of metal bands follow each other.

HAHAHAHA. RIGHT!

I hate words about music. JUST FUKING ROCK THAT meep IF YOU CAN.

Its a defined genre yes, but it is still open to many combinations and differences

True. Unfortunatly you didn't take that into account when you set out to be "Heavy as meep, and quite evil". TEE-HEE.

The act of posting and/or sharing your art is an open invite. It seems like you can't handle the mildly harsh feedback. Valid feedback. Don't press record anymore and I promise all you affirmation dreams will come true. Although, the only person you'll be able to count on impressing is you.

Try harder to make us feel something or don't share.

I don't see why you made a CD that is supposed to be unlistenable, then you get sad when we tell you it's unlistenable, and proceed to tell us we don't know unlistenable.

If you think for one second the opinions of Linkswarm users affect anything to do with my music, your even more blind than i thought. My music in the arena of say, Myspace, recieves praise because yes there are people that like it, and like what i do.

The reason for posting it on here, is one reason only. BUMP :-)

Xihilisk-"Instruction manuals for impossible machines"

Tracklisting:

Download link:

http://rapidshare.de/files/22280517/Xihilisk-Instruction_manuals_for_impossible_machines.zip.html

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Arctica-"Selected Sessions"

Download link:

If you think for one second the opinions of Linkswarm users affect anything to do with my music, your even more blind than i thought.

If that were true, then you wouldn't have been begging for reviews of everything from your meepty conveyor-belt sonic turds to your also-ran homemade album covers.

What's really happening here is your "creativity" and dashing personality aren't getting the reception a few fringe mooks somewhere else on the Internet (or, god forbid, real life) led you (tragically) to expect, so now you're hardening your heart and swallowing your tears and pretending you don't care and never did.

It's cute when folks play this game, but transparent to anyone who is both over the age of 12 and also paying attention.

My music in the arena of say, Myspace, recieves praise because yes there are people that like it, and like what i do.

LOL NUFF SAID EH?

The reason for posting it on here, is one reason only. BUMP :-)

So you're just trawling for hits, then? Let me know when I can fairly consider you a spammer and do what I do with those guys. At least one can, if desperate, meep off to a free thumbnail of a naked hooker. There is no shortage of fools to ridicule on the Internet.

I must have missed the part where i begged for reviews...

To explain, if you create music which "disregards the listener" in pursuit of an objective, it means you ignore all listener tastes when creating. By this i mean all tastes as a whole. Thats not to say, as with the vomit point made earlier, that people wont like your objective, and in turn your music. Hence, music like mine is a small minority in the behemoth of the musical world. And a good number of people genuinely like "Entrails". To some, a nasty messy noise can be the self-destructive forethoughts of Armageddon manifesting before them.

It was the same with process musicians like Reich and Lucier, and the Avant-Garde movement, and Music Concrete. Reich many times used the words "Disregarding the listener" and has come to be hailed as one of the most prominent musical experimentalists alive.

And to finish, listen, i never said this meep was world-changing or anything. I make it in my flat on a laptop, im not expecting to top the Billboard charts.

I must have missed the part where i begged for reviews...

"Who, me?"

Also, I doubt you posted this image just to get a bunch of hits on a JPG.

Look, I'm not asking you to convince me you don't care. Of course you do. I'm just saying, you're not anywhere near as clever as you seem to think.

To some, a nasty messy noise can be the self-destructive forethoughts of Armageddon manifesting before them.

Holy loly. You and Wotak should definitely get together and do some collaborating, if for no other reason than to create a mega-group of self-congratulating silliness. Love Connection.

How old are you? Have we established this yet? If so, I missed it.

Reich many times used the words "Disregarding the listener" and has come to be hailed as one of the most prominent musical experimentalists alive.

So just keep using it and perforce you'll be a supa-star mixmasta in no time, pickles.

I think the problem you have is that you've done a bait and switch. You presented the swarm with music that is in fact a work of irony instead, i.e. it's so bad and unlistenable that it's good. I can see how that sort of thing might fly on myspace but, it seems to me, swarmers that read and comment on the journals and in the forums are past the age where the irony test for coolness matters anymore.

As for not caring what people think of your music, bullmeep. The last time you posted some music that you composed in a fit of drunken enlightenment you ended up making the journal disappear after nobody shared your high opinion of yourself and your music.

Keep it up. You'll soon have a state of being named after you.

Actually, I listened to the album a couple more times last night, and it totally grows on you. Once you start to notice the subtle aspects of it over the loud overbearing foreground, the true genius of the compositions shines through like Jesus riding into town on his golden chariot. I take back everything I said and I urge everyone else to give it chance to grow and grab you like it did to me. You sir are a musical god. Just kidding, lol.

I must have missed the part where i begged for reviews... The reason for posting it on here, is one reason only. BUMP :-)

Sir, I'd like to politely suggest that you are dangerously close to jumping the shark and that if you see yourself enjoying a warm and happy future as a contributing member of LS then you need to back the meep up and reconsider your attitude.

"I must have missed the part where i begged for reviews..."

let me help, meepmeep: you begged for "reviews" when you registered for LS. You had it coming, so dont try to play it off like you didnt know what you were getting yourself into.

Ive only just finished the album, so hows that work you grotesque warlock.

Post-rock? Grindcore? You meepgot limeys with your genre swampdonkifications. I like the artwork. Unfortunately, your music leaves something to be desired.

I play guitar, you don't.

Music shouldn't need explaining, that's what makes it wonderful. I hope you wear your guitar low enough that your pick-ups will give you teste cancer when you're older and not emo. Bye

That was short and boring.

Stick to doing what you're good at: being English.