ghostrider       01-26-2010, 12:52 am

Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2=4

Dragonstaff       01-26-2010, 12:54 am

I think the idea is that because we suposedly elect the people controlling our lives, we are free to change them. The problem is that the only options for replacement we are given is more of the same, different faces and names but the same lust for power and control of the drones.

This illusion of choice however, is used to convince we the sheeple that we really do have true freedom.

nocal       01-26-2010, 02:25 am

freedom is a sexy sounding but ultimately illusory concept that we can pat ourselves on the back about in a self congratulatory way

so despite the fact that we are not #1 in almost any (positive) measurable value, we are able to pretend we succeed at something immeasurable

you faggot (<--exercising freedom)

dae_su       01-26-2010, 02:52 am

according to tommy hobbes freedom only exists in the state of nature, you give up freedom-- right to do whatever the fuck you want (murder, rape, pillage, etc..) -- by entering into a social contract.

"man is born free yet everywhere he is in chains. one thinks himself the master of many yet still remains a greater slave than they" -- jean jacques rousseau

tantrum       01-26-2010, 02:53 am

Freedom is awareness and acceptance of the present moment.

middle_age_man       01-26-2010, 03:02 am

Cease your whining! Komrade Harper is thinking and can not be distracted by the yelping of parliament. The future of glorious Canuckistan is in his benevolent hands.

Pete56       01-26-2010, 03:18 am

Harper's a fuckin' power-junkie scumbag , a Mulroney wannabe (which is nothing anybody oughta aspire to.)

shitbox       01-26-2010, 03:52 am

Freedom is having the ability and choice to do whatever the fuck you want to, as long as it doesn't impede or infringe on another persons ability or rights to do the same.

Or freedom could just be being 100% debt free, but then again I'm always being told that "freedom isn't free" so WTF!?

nocal       01-26-2010, 04:32 am

Freedom is having the ability and choice to do whatever the fuck you want to, as long as it doesn't impede or infringe on another persons ability or rights to do the same

your definition has an inherent not-so-free caveat...

i like dae_su's definition better

troma_one       01-26-2010, 05:51 am

And your choice other than Harper is better Honestly at least the man has been in the country for the last few decades and isn't calling our soldiers war criminals soldiers for a few political cheapshots.
And Jack layton? (nutbar) Elizabeth May(rancid cheesegrater to the face whenever she speaks nutbar)? I am happy he didn't try to spend his way out of the recent panic.
Btw my definition of free would be an agenda-free education of children(Schools and Parental influence), politicians who can speak to each other without breaking down into a monkey shit fight (believe me Americans we in Canada have the most classless politicians ever) and a little accountability in government wouldn't hurt either.
I think the reason that our society has their collective butthole puckered so much, is that we are losing the ability to distinguish from things that will affect us and things that have the don't have the slightest chance of ever of affecting us. Therefore we are giving up too much freedom in terms of privacy and mobility to have a false sense of security against the things that will almost definitely not affect us but are still scary (MSM is good at spreading this. Also wtf @ fear entertainment).
PS about the proroguing of parliament think back a few years ago when Chretien ducked out because of the sponsorship scandal, was it undemocratic then? I believe that democracy worked just fine and they were handed their asses in the next few years in an election.

PPS good topic, I lurk this place often but rarely feel the need to comment (nice to see a fellow Canuck)

godevillivedog       01-26-2010, 06:13 am

Freedoms just another word for nothing left to lose.

Pete56       01-26-2010, 09:29 am

troma_one,
I shoulda made myself clearer.I don't think any of the contenders for head highchair in Canucklia are any good. A socialist ( a REAL one), a guy who spent most of his life sponging up the upper end of US politics,power and culture, and the current clown whose only desire is to rule,pretend benevolently, and make money, for himself and friends, 'til he gets enough.

I know about the infantile guff that happens in the West Block. My late father was an MP, and I'd go off to the gallery there and watch'em duke it out on the House floor. It's probably always been that way.
Even at 12 , even though I didn't know the stuff I know now, it was a jaw-dropping experience, watching a couple of hundred full grown men and woman act like that.Even then I knewit wasn't about public interest.
Hell! I used to have a"Fuddle Duddle" sweatshirt, from when Trudeau "didn't" mouth 'Fuck off' during debate.

Anyway, freedom isn't a condition measured by unacceptable morality.
It's not anarchy, or a mass psychopathy, and neither is it being shepherded by elected officials who make up every kind of rule, merely to try and tame statistical aberrations, netting everyone for the sins, and stupidity, of the few.

Freedom isn't an absence of law, or even respect. Freedom,to me, is not being restricted, in a million different ways, from drinking unpasturized milk, to ripping a doob in my own home ( I don't. That shit just makes me stupider) , to mandatory auto-insurance, to .... anything YOU think is over-the-top restricted, or restrictive.
Freedom is the absence of that which complete strangers think is in my best interest. They don't know, and they never have.
I probably forgot something. It's late, and I had a great night at the jam.

graycube       01-26-2010, 11:10 am

I think freedom is defined better as a condition of spirit rather than by measuring the presence or absence of laws, rules, and customs.

ghostrider       01-26-2010, 02:46 pm

Freedom is just another word for nothing left Toulouse.

dafuck       01-26-2010, 03:19 pm

Freedom is to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

troma_one       01-26-2010, 03:36 pm

Maybe freedom is a life without unreasonable fear (humans have been ducking that stuff since the beginning of time)?

wotak       01-26-2010, 04:00 pm

Fear is a normal part of the survival instincts. It is an important and useful tool that heightens the awareness and prepares your body for the fight or flight response. Man couldn't have evolved without fear.

True freedom is a complete lack of oversight and government or police control of any form. Unfortunately, it is also likely to be accompanied by anarchy which isn't all that nice an atmosphere to raise children in... which is probably a good thing for the planet and all of the creatures that live on it because there are way too many humans on this planet.

troma_one       01-26-2010, 06:11 pm

You missed the word "unreasonable" in front of fear.
As in fear of social situations, fear of terrorism, fear of peanut butter sticking to the roof of your mouth.

troma_one       01-26-2010, 06:12 pm

And btw I am on team human, fuck the animal kingdom.

wotak       01-26-2010, 06:20 pm

You are a part of the animal kingdom. Like it or not. Without the food chain, that we are a part of, we stop existing.

BeachGoat       01-26-2010, 07:12 pm

freakmachine       01-26-2010, 07:44 pm

Freedom is the right to feel free as you toil away in your slavery, making your corporate masters richer.

Acheron       01-27-2010, 08:56 pm

FREEDOM IS PROTECTION FROM FORCE AND FRAUD

Which is why we need a consumer protection agency. Write your senator! If you're American.