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Site members can create their own journals and post comments. | I Hate Maureen 03-22-2005 at 09:42 am
"Men are always telling me not to generalize about them.
But a startling new study shows that science is backing me up here.
Research published last week in the journal Nature reveals that women are genetically more complex than scientists ever imagined, while men remain the simple creatures they appear.
"Alas," said one of the authors of the study, the Duke University genome expert Huntington Willard, "genetically speaking, if you've met one man, you've met them all. We are, I hate to say it, predictable. You can't say that about women. Men and women are farther apart than we ever knew. It's not Mars or Venus. It's Mars or Venus, Pluto, Jupiter and who knows what other planets."
Women are not only more different from men than we knew. Women are more different from each other than we knew - creatures of "infinite variety," as Shakespeare wrote.
"We poor men only have 45 chromosomes to do our work with because our 46th is the pathetic Y that has only a few genes which operate below the waist and above the knees," Dr. Willard observed. "In contrast, we now know that women have the full 46 chromosomes that they're getting work from and the 46th is a second X that is working at levels greater than we knew."
Dr. Willard and his co-author, Laura Carrel, a molecular biologist at the Pennsylvania State University College of Medicine, think that their discovery may help explain why the behavior and traits of men and women are so different; they may be hard-wired in the brain, in addition to being hormonal or cultural.
So is Lawrence Summers right after all? "Only time will tell," Dr. Willard laughs.
The researchers learned that a whopping 15 percent - 200 to 300 - of the genes on the second X chromosome in women, thought to be submissive and inert, lolling about on an evolutionary Victorian fainting couch, are active, giving women a significant increase in gene expression over men.
As the Times science reporter Nicholas Wade, who is writing a book about human evolution and genetics, explained it to me: "Women are mosaics, one could even say chimeras, in the sense that they are made up of two different kinds of cell. Whereas men are pure and uncomplicated, being made of just a single kind of cell throughout."
This means men's generalizations about women are correct, too. Women are inscrutable, changeable, crafty, idiosyncratic, a different species.
"Women's chromosomes have more complexity, which men view as unpredictability," said David Page, a molecular biologist and expert on sex evolution at the Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research in Cambridge, Mass.
Known as Mr. Y, Dr. P calls himself "the defender of the rotting Y chromosome." He's referring to studies showing that the Y chromosome has been shedding genes willy-nilly for millions of years and is now a fraction of the size of its partner, the X chromosome. "The Y married up," he notes. "The X married down."
Size matters, so some experts have suggested that in 10 million years or even much sooner - 100,000 years - men could disappear, taking Maxim magazine, March Madness and cold pizza in the morning with them.
Dr. Page drolly conjures up a picture of the Y chromosome as "a slovenly beast," sitting in his favorite armchair, surrounded by the litter of old fast food takeout boxes.
"The Y wants to maintain himself but doesn't know how," he said. "He's falling apart, like the guy who can't manage to get a doctor's appointment or can't clean up the house or apartment unless his wife does it.
"I prefer to think of the Y as persevering and noble, not as the Rodney Dangerfield of the human genome."
Dr. Page says the Y - a refuge throughout evolution for any gene that is good for males and/or bad for females - has become "a mirror, a metaphor, a blank slate on which you can write anything you want to think about males." It has inspired cartoon gene maps that show the belching gene, the inability-to-remember-birthdays-and-anniversaries gene, the fascination-with-spiders-and-reptiles gene, the selective-hearing-loss-"Huh" gene, the inability-to-express-affection-on-the-phone gene.
The discovery about women's superior gene expression may answer the age-old question about why men have trouble expressing themselves: because their genes do. "- Maureen Dowd
-Pulled from NYT, March 20th-
For some reason I can't quite put my finger on, this article pissed me off considerably. One, I don't think she honestly knows what she's talking about. The link between genetics and behavior is a huge debate, and simpler genetic structure doesn't obviously lend itself to simpler behavior, as she seems to think it does.
I always see this element of femi-naziesque, quirky bullshiting in her writing. I never read her whole "Bushworld" book, but apparently she was describing the definining elelemnt of the Bush admistration to be a kind of hyper-machismo. Granted, there is some truth in that, but I just find her columns to be dripping with bullshit mainstream humor, and gigantic stereotypes. Her brand of commentary is the worst part of the northern/blue-state media; the trendy, affected intellectual who feels the need ram in their own, uniquely shitty brand of humor.
So yeah, I kind of despise her. And I despise even worse that my political orientation puts me in the same category as her and Al Franken.
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nocal 03-22-2005, 10:07 am
By the sub-par writing, documentation, and understanding of genetics, I have to take the guess that this is her piss-poor attempt at humor. But it's really just sad. I can't believe that she writes for a major newspaper, when it appears that she should write editorials for my shitty hometown rag.
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mundhra 03-22-2005, 10:07 am
wow. i can hardly believe those quotes were made by scientists; they're so fucking loaded.
retarded biased bullshit.
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Lefen 03-22-2005, 10:44 am
Ok, the default development path for humans is to become female. Development of an embryo into a male requires the intervention of genes found only on the Y chromosome at a very early stage. Hence the Y chromosme is required for the development and maintenance (throughout life) of 'maleness', and exerts control of gene expression (to an extent) over the X chromosome. So this bullshit about men being forgetful etc etc because they are lacking genes on the 'male' part of the genome is just that.
In male cells, both the X and Y chromosomes are active. In female cells, one of the pair of X chromosomes wraps up tightly and essentially goes into hibernation (forms whats called a Barr body). The thing about this, is that it's entirely random which X chromosome out of the pair remains active (an excellent example of this I remember from school is how tortoiseshell cats are always female, bacuse the different patters of markings on their fur are the result of this random inactivation of X chromosomes). So it's important to realise (and this is such a fucking important distinction) that women are NOT getting the use of both X chromosomes in the same cell at once.
The problem with badly written science journalism is that it misleads and confuses people, especialy when its written by fuking feminists who think it's much better to satirise popular science, rather than passing on important advances to a general audience. I'd be pissed off as fuk if anyone ever wrote about my work in such a way.
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acheron 03-22-2005, 11:20 am
Credit to Lefen for evidently knowing what he's talking about.
Send your hateful Maureen Dowd comments to Liberties@nytimes.com. I think thats right. I sent her one myself a couple of hours ago.
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Pchimp 03-22-2005, 02:36 pm
What lefen said. This is a case of Maureen taking quotes out of context.
Plus, one of the anecdotes that we like to throw around when faced with this sort of nonsense is that while humans have an approximately 3 billion base pair genome, ferns have about 150 billion base pairs, salamanders have about 81 billion bp's, and the lowly amoeba has a whopping 670 billion bp's. Are Maureen and company going to imply that these organisms are more advanced/complex than me? (note to the green and smelly: I realize genome size doesn't correlate directly to gene number, but a similar analysis of # of genes expressed yields the same result -- humans are nowhere near the top of the heap in gene expression, either)
More base pairs/genes/proteins do not make a superior organism.
But what really pisses me off about this is the attempt to use this misconstrued data as an excuse for women to act irresponsibly. Even if her argument were true (which it is soundly not) and women were "better," our level of human consciousness overrides our pre-programmed behaviours. Anyone arguing otherwise should be confined to live with the animals they claim to be.
The only "science" in the article whose interpretation I don't have major beefs with is the observation that the Y-chromosome is shrinking. It clearly is, but it's losing pieces that don't seem to be terribly important. It's not going to fade away to nothing -- it's not evolutionarily feasible.
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lefen 03-22-2005, 03:00 pm
^werd.
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mundhra 03-22-2005, 03:19 pm
haha, yeah, i missed that.
even if men could disappear...
i think you mean the natural reproductive ability of the entire fuking species, you dumb twat.
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mundhra 03-22-2005, 03:19 pm
SOMEBODY DIDN'T CLOSE HIS ITALICS TAG
:(
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Uart 03-23-2005, 04:11 pm
Nocal...
MY Shitty hometown rag is published by Geraldo Rivera. Therefore I win.
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