We love it. Maybe RApeDAR could have the same feature?

Yes -- RapeDAR would, in my imagining, look identical and be different only in that, instead of showing all the threads on the frontpage, would show instead just the threads you had submitted/commented on. Same deal -- triangle would turn blue if you had unread stuff in there.

EDIT: sizzling_warbar.

_{On 2010-06-25 at 02:14:47, vasudeva asked to smell your meep}

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OK, I've meeped with this a bit more...

The straight arrows mean you haven't read this thread (or are anonymous, for whom we don't store reads).

The curvy "jump over some meep and then stop just here" arrows means you have read all the comments on the thread.

When the curvy "stop here" arrow is blue, there are new comments.

In the above screenshot...

• I've read and am all up to date on Clavis' calendar thing. The curvy arrow will take me to the bottom of the comments.
• I've read Dismas' link and Stool's journal and there are new comments on both that I haven't read yet. The blue arrow will take me to them.
• There are no comments on pete's link
• The bottom two links I haven't read yet. If I want to catch up with those threads by jumping to the bottom of the page, the straight arrow will do that for me.

I tried to screenshot this on a PC, since it's symbol-heavy and Mac screenshots look all big and doofy on PCs, which most of you are probably using, but I noticed a wierd unicode character issue on XP/Chrome.

How many of you see a box just beneath this sentence, and how many a curvy arrow?

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Also chime in with your thoughts on the above. Cool? Over-complicated? Confusing? Missing some neat wrinkle?

I see nothing in the box below the sentence... I'm using IE right now if that matters.

You see the box, then. You will either see a box or a curvy arrow. Sure, helpful to know browser/OS.

I see box, chrome/win7

Box does indeed prove to be a curvy arrow after it's pasted into WORD 2010.

Curvy arrow and other arrows look much better at about 36 pt font size..

Over.

LOL... Sorry for my dyslexia... I read "Can you see an arror or curvy arrow inside this box" Ugh... BTW! this is the greatest feature EVAR!!

Especially when things like forum posts are all part of the main page... so a Link like Meta's Bug Out will have the option for us to skip to where we left off right?

I do have a question... about this new method...

If everything Links/Forum Threads/Journals, Etc becomes a main link on the fornt page... and the side boxes go away... will there be some easy way for us to know if a cool but old thread/ journal gets updated?

I think that there are lots of times when say...months later someone updates the What I've Read thread, or the Bug Out thread... and that brings these back up to the top of the Forum boxes where they might have been missing before... This would allow a new lurker for instance to get to read some huge Gem that they may have missed...

I dunno... thoughts? You may already have a cool plan for this scenario and mentioned it already :)

box. chrome. win7.

filled box (20/D5?). ff. xp. empty larger box. ie7. xp.

_{On 2010-06-25 at 17:16:24, mundhra asked to smell your meep}

arrow vista firefox

Steel: Especially when things like forum posts are all part of the main page... so a Link like Meta's Bug Out will have the option for us to skip to where we left off right?

Exactly.

If everything Links/Forum Threads/Journals, Etc becomes a main link on the fornt page... and the side boxes go away... will there be some easy way for us to know if a cool but old thread/ journal gets updated? I think that there are lots of times when say...months later someone updates the What I've Read thread, or the Bug Out thread... and that brings these back up to the top of the Forum boxes where they might have been missing before... This would allow a new lurker for instance to get to read some huge Gem that they may have missed... I dunno... thoughts? You may already have a cool plan for this scenario and mentioned it already :)

Part of me is fine with the idea that, without side blocks, and with journals and forums getting the exact same pagespace as links, things will rise and fall in the talking meep page equally. If you submitted the thing, or commented on it, it will appear in your RapeDAR. Otherwise you can always ClipSwarm it.

On the other hand, journals and forums are a bit different; someone took the time to spontaneously write something. Maybe that meep should be longer-lived than the links, and the blocks are a good way to keep the recently-updated stuff visible right on the front page.

So I dunno, and I'm hoping for Big Idea suggestions here. I don't think I want to do the blocks the way I'm doing now -- last 15 things to get updated. But I'm not sure how we should do it.

FAKE EDIT: I want to come up with a single good solution that I can make work for everyone without making 'show right-hand forum/journal blocks' be a user preference or similar.

Win7 x64

Box in Chrome Arrow in Firfox Arrow in IE8 (both in and out of compatibility view)

Edit: I'd vote for keeping the sideboxes, even if it was an optional feature. I prefer to have meep segregated and organized.

_{On 2010-06-25 at 17:55:15, saltpeter asked to smell your meep}

Thanks for the arrow/box reports, everybody. Looks like support for that Unicode character is all over the place. I'll have to use images, not straight Unicode.

So looks like nobody has any problems with the unread/read/new-comment mechanics. Any takers on this wtf-do-we-do-about-the-forum/journal-blocks bullmeep?

Any chance you could get up a mock-up of hows you have things planned so far? I remember the old screens from the 2.0 thread, but it sounds like there have been some changes since then.

It might be easier to throw out some ideas if we had a more recent mock-up of the thing?

. BTW! this is the greatest feature EVAR!!

agreed

Curvy arrow Safari 5 on iPad OS 3.2 and FF 3.6 on Win7 x86 & x64.

saltpeter: Any chance you could get up a mock-up of hows you have things planned so far? I remember the old screens from the 2.0 thread, but it sounds like there have been some changes since then.

The screenshots above are about as good as it gets. There you see journals mixing with links, and if you pretend some of them have the word 'Ask/Tell: ' in front of the title, you have the whole thing.

I don't have screenshots of the right-hand blocks because they're going away and I don't know what we'll replace them with yet. :E

vasudeva: Any takers on this wtf-do-we-do-about-the-forum/journal-blocks bullmeep?

what about something like a fake 'pin to top' thing? also, aging at a ratio?

since we'd want to prioritize forum posts/journals do something like age them at a ratio (and then maybe consider their submit time as 23:59 or present time). let's say our age ratio is 1:2. for instance, lets say our super sparse page would look something like this:

link - today link - yesterday link - yesterday

someone writes a journal:

journal - today link - today link - yesterday link - yesterday

someone adds a link:

journal - today link - today link - today link - yesterday link - yesterday

midnight rolls around:

journal - yesterday (considered today) link - yesterday link - yesterday link - 2 days ago link - 2 days ago

add a link:

journal - yesterday (considered today) link - today link - yesterday link - yesterday link - 2 days ago link - 2 days ago

next day:

journal - 2 days ago (considered yesterday) link - yesterday link - 2 days ago link - 2 days ago link - 3 days ago link - 3 days ago

new link:

link - today journal - 2 days ago (considered yesterday) link - yesterday link - 2 days ago link - 2 days ago link - 3 days ago link - 3 days ago

maybe the aging ratio is sufficient, though, and you wouldn't need to fudge the time to make them float to top in their associated 'day block'.

Curvy arrow.

Browser: Firefox 3.6.3 OS: XP sp3

I suggest a clicky up top (or wherever the menu/drop menu is going to end up) that goes to a separate page that keeps tabs on recently updated threads and journals. That way it still exists, but isn't cluttering up the main page.

Or people can tag a thread or journal as something they want to follow (a check box up top of the thread or journal, perhaps: "[ ] Follow This") and when it's updated it pops back up on that user's front page for them to see. Maybe with a red 'update' next to the title.

an curvy arrow

Thanks to all these reports, I'm good on the curvy-arrow-versus-box business. Seems like Firefox can always see it, but other PC browsers can't unless you're browsing in a specific font like Arial Unicode MS.

What I'll do is just nix the Unicode text -- I've already created images for these two glyphs that I'll use instead, so everyone will be able to see the curvy arrows regardless of browser, OS, or choice of urologist.

mundhra:

vasudeva: Any takers on this wtf-do-we-do-about-the-forum/journal-blocks bullmeep?

what about something like a fake 'pin to top' thing? also, aging at a ratio?

since we'd want to prioritize forum posts/journals do something like age them at a ratio (and then maybe consider their submit time as 23:59 or present time). let's say our age ratio is 1:2. for instance, lets say our super sparse page would look something like this:

JohnLenin: I suggest a clicky up top (or wherever the menu/drop menu is going to end up) that goes to a separate page that keeps tabs on recently updated threads and journals. That way it still exists, but isn't cluttering up the main page.

Like a Talking meep page, but minus the links.

Or people can tag a thread or journal as something they want to follow (a check box up top of the thread or journal, perhaps: "[ ] Follow This") and when it's updated it pops back up on that user's front page for them to see. Maybe with a red 'update' next to the title.

Sounds like the ClipSwarm with a 'Recent Activity' indicator. The "new comments on this thread" thing I've been posting about above will be part of the new ClipSwarm meep, which sounds like it gets us this exactly.

Good ideas. Keep em coming.

mmm, sizzling war bar