Reject vs Delete

I delete submissions that I believe aren't even worthy of Alpha's reading. My crit is a bit wider than the several examples you raised, so I have front page crit (I know it when I read it), Alpha crit (worthy, but not front), and Del crit (don't bother me or anyone else). Meesa likes the three categories and the triggers that you have described.

Perhaps you can have a Deleted junkyard, that maintains records, but dumps the links into some forum/area for access to those interested. To be honest, I wouldn't like deletes clogging the main page, as I rarely read the rejected links, unless of course it some hot porn or has an interesting comment assoc witit.

BDiW

I rarely vote Delete - unless it's a blatant repeat or a broken link, etc.

jwalker: I rarely vote Delete - unless it's a blatant repeat or a broken link, etc.

I presume then you find enough value in rejected links to keep them around. I'd like to find out who agrees, and who doesn't, and why.

I find the deleted links are a good barometer of the trends and the sometimes fickle tastes of the alphas. Plus, there is the occasional bit of gold to be found.

jwalker: I rarely vote Delete - unless it's a blatant repeat or a broken link, etc.

same.

It's good to keep the link list shiny for the non-alphas, and to attract new swarmers, but I like having the rejected links around. Just because they're not swarm material doesn't always mean that they're not interesting at all. One man's trash and whatnot.

middle_age_man: I find the deleted links are a good barometer of the trends and the sometimes fickle tastes of the alphas. Plus, there is the occasional bit of gold to be found.

You must mean Rejected links. Deleted links cease to exist entirely.

vasudeva:

middle_age_man: I find the deleted links are a good barometer of the trends and the sometimes fickle tastes of the alphas. Plus, there is the occasional bit of gold to be found.

You must mean Rejected links. Deleted links cease to exist entirely.

Oops, I meant rejected.

according to that "stats" thread, i delete more than most. i delete if i feel that the link provides no entertainment to alphas. a single picture, spam, bad porn, a bad joke, an ancient page or video. i guess my judgement is that alphas are more internet savvy than most and don't care about the meeptiest of links

My input is probably useless since I don't generally vote often, due to sheer laziness.

I only delete meep that is broken or spam. I'm easily amused so I don't reject stuff that often either.

At one point in time, I was deleting more than anyone, so I guess my input might be worth something here. I very rarely (never?) use the reject option. If I don't think a link is good enough for the front page, I doubt that the Alphas will get much out of it either, so it gets a delete vote. I also delete youtube etc. links quite regularly because there are other places on the Swarm for them to go. Any link I cant decide on will get ignored, but I will usually either vote yes or delete. There are very few that fall in between.

JohnLenin:

jwalker: I rarely vote Delete - unless it's a blatant repeat or a broken link, etc.

same.

It's good to keep the link list shiny for the non-alphas, and to attract new swarmers, but I like having the rejected links around. Just because they're not swarm material doesn't always mean that they're not interesting at all. One man's trash and whatnot.

Plus it's fun to harrass the poster.

jwalker:

JohnLenin:

jwalker: I rarely vote Delete - unless it's a blatant repeat or a broken link, etc.

same.

It's good to keep the link list shiny for the non-alphas, and to attract new swarmers, but I like having the rejected links around. Just because they're not swarm material doesn't always mean that they're not interesting at all. One man's trash and whatnot.

Plus it's fun to harrass the poster.

yeah, it's fun to get together with the alpha gents and poke at the dead thing on the front page. Sometimes the worst links get some funny comments.

DO IT FOR TEH LULZ!

I think I've abused this once or twice. Otherwise I'm just going by the reject method.

I delete if I am feeling too lazy to to come up some witty reject reason. That or I ignore.

Occasionally I will +1 something.

nocal: i delete if i feel that the link provides no entertainment to alphas. a single picture, spam, bad porn, a bad joke, an ancient page or video.

dent: I only delete meep that is broken or spam.

jwalker: Plus it's fun to harrass the poster.

JohnLenin: Sometimes the worst links get some funny comments.

This is all pretty much how I intended meep to work. I'm happy to hear the above, because it means I don't need to make changes. If the above isn't true for some, I need to hear that too, because if I need to make changes, I should know. Also, it might liven up this joint a bit.

acheron: I think I've abused this once or twice. Otherwise I'm just going by the reject method.

I wouldn't call this abuse.

Wrecker: I delete if I am feeling too lazy to to come up some witty reject reason.

I would call this abuse. You fat-head.

dragonstaff: I very rarely (never?) use the reject option. If I don't think a link is good enough for the front page, I doubt that the Alphas will get much out of it either, so it gets a delete vote. I also delete youtube etc. links quite regularly because there are other places on the Swarm for them to go.

Well, this isn't my philosophy on it, but you've got one you can articulate, which means it's consistent and thus defensible. I'm putting you in the "probably doesn't think Rejected links generate much value" bucket. I'm guessing if I made a "Don't show me Rejected links on the front page option" (something I may do, but not any time soon, in all likelihood) you would like it.

Any link I cant decide on will get ignored

Again, excellent use of the Alpha Queue insofar as it refers to Original Alpha Queue Canon.

Let's refer to this handy chart...

What we're looking at here is a couple of historical data points showing Alpha Queue vote flavors at four points spanning the past two months. As you can see, for a brief spell, Rejects waned while Deletes rose in number. This seems to have normalized for the moment.

Also, I'd like to point out that the level of meepmeep has remained at a rock-steady '200' through-out this period. Well done guys.

I'm trying to be objective about meep, so I'll +1 what I think folks'll enjoy, even if I personally find it stupid. If I think everyone should find it stupid, then I'll reject. And wring my hands trying to find a clever reason. ( I wanna run with the big kids!)

I've deleted items that are easily accessible to anyone who surfs places outside LS, only because my internet world has become saturated said items. I figure people who know about Linkswarm prolly have the same feeds I do and come here for stuff that's a bit more obscure. Everyone gets The News, not everyone has time to hunt down "Where has the white dog meep gone?"

So, Vas, while you're asking if reject vs delete needs changing, I'm now asking if I'm playing the game right.

SlitStorm: I'm trying to be objective about meep, so I'll +1 what I think folks'll enjoy, even if I personally find it stupid. If I think everyone *should* find it stupid, then I'll reject.

You're playing the game Just Right.

I rarely vote. When I do, I usually don't hit delete.

I like to delete stupid, some meep just doesn't belong.

vasudeva:

nocal: i delete if i feel that the link provides no entertainment to alphas. a single picture, spam, bad porn, a bad joke, an ancient page or video.

dent: I only delete meep that is broken or spam.

jwalker: Plus it's fun to harrass the poster.

JohnLenin: Sometimes the worst links get some funny comments.

This is all pretty much how I intended meep to work. I'm happy to hear the above, because it means I don't need to make changes. If the above isn't true for some, I need to hear that too, because if I need to make changes, I should know. Also, it might liven up this joint a bit.

agree++ in all manners.

vasudeva:

dragonstaff: I very rarely (never?) use the reject option. If I don't think a link is good enough for the front page, I doubt that the Alphas will get much out of it either, so it gets a delete vote. I also delete youtube etc. links quite regularly because there are other places on the Swarm for them to go.

Well, this isn't my philosophy on it, but you've got one you can articulate, which means it's consistent and thus defensible. I'm putting you in the "probably doesn't think Rejected links generate much value" bucket. I'm guessing if I made a "Don't show me Rejected links on the front page option" (something I may do, but not any time soon, in all likelihood) you would like it.

I haven't seen all that much action around the majority of rejected links lately ( there is always the occasional standout) so that particular bucket may actually have something going for it.

I would still keep rejected links on my front page though ( 99% sure, anyway) because I don't see every link that is submitted, and I will sometimes find one that interests ME, even though the admins or other Alphas thought it was meep. I do tend to read the comments on rejects in any case, for the reject reasons (LOLS) and to see what sort of link is being rejected by which alphas/admins.

I think there are certain Alphas that should be able to use a delete function. I don't think I'm one of them, although I have once or twice. I won't miss it if it's not available in my queue.

As for rejected links; they are one of the reasons I pay for Alpha. I like to see the stuff considered not good enough because A: it's more content for me to enjoy in a different manner (ie-poking fun at the rejected submitter). B: The comments are often funny. C: The reject reasons are usually lollsome. and D: RPT rejections are often new to me because I'm not always paying attention.

Maybe the Delete function should be for Mods only?

Might I suggest this.... A -1 meepon that counts only for a -1, a reject if you will. A -2 that counts as a -1 reject and/or delete. And a DELETE for obvious spam, or recent repeats.

Does that make sense?

That actually does make sense, yeah -- basically define the buckets so that you have...

1) This Is meep bucket 2) This is meep And Probably Needs To Be Deleted bucket 3) This Definitely Needs To Be Deleted bucket

Practically, though, I think having so many buckets will confuse an already less-than-elementary process.

Keep - Front Page Keep - Alphas Only Delete - Goodbye meepo

vasudeva: That actually does make sense, yeah -- basically define the buckets so that you have... 1) This Is meep bucket 2) This is meep And Probably Needs To Be Deleted bucket 3) This Definitely Needs To Be Deleted bucket Practically, though, I think having so many buckets will confuse an already less-than-elementary process.

I think it would work fine. I'm also for not needing to give a reject reason when I -1something. I don't usually feel like explaining myself besides, 'this is meep' usually just states the obvious.